@HerCrenVie: Twist it how you want, you know I'm chiding you guys for brushing off other people's ideals and applying your own ideals over everyone else. That includes you, Aquatik and the other guy. Especially in fish keeping I find it laughable that people can choose specific characteristics and define those as 'quality' and disregard the rest. Yes there are characteristics that probably should be labeled as low quality, but otherwise it's all up to the beholder. Say what you want, but I will never think of Aquatik's fish as being a quality fish, yet I will think of yours as being better than Aquatik's and the other guy's. And it will be my opinion, and I respect that each of you individually love your own fish, and have different views on other people's fish. That's all I'm saying, perhaps open up your mind a bit. Then again, I guess I'm forcing my own ideals on you people, so don't listen if you truly don't want to, but in the long run it'll help you. Imo.