PBB???

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africanman;4711520; said:
Honestly, IMO most of those photos posted by taisho 75 are not clear enough to positively I.D. all the fish. Obviously there is a mix of both species in the tank. Just my opinion.
The bottom line is this, if you are not very good at identifying fish it's best to know the source of your fish and buy only from trusted sources.
I imported several Pbb a while back and although a few seemed to resemble Lapradei at first due to lower end of dorsal fin range, they were later confirmed to be true Pbb.
Even though i can positively tell wild Pbb apart from Guinea and Nigerian Laps, we never mix them togther in thesame tanks to avoid any errors or mix ups.

I still believe wild fish is the way to go if you want to be sure of the strain of what you are getting. They may not always be as "flashy" as farm raised fish but you can be sure it's either Lap or Pbb and not a hybrid.
By the way, there have not been any Lapradei collections so far around the area Chad Pbb is being collected.
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Thanks for the explaination. BTW I have not able to retrieve the HD video taken.:(

There is only 1 nigerian Lap in the photos and I pointed that out. AS for the other 3 "PBB", they are WC and from Lake Chad as explained by my supplier, he even showed me his source' reply to him the last time I raised the question that the PBB look like Nigerian Lap with 14 dorsal fins 1-2 year back. That's why I dun question him further and keep the fish for the trust we had built and the great bichirs he had sold me.

However it is recently after further confirmed by a few season people here that only 1 is PBB while the other 2 are not, that I questioned him again. He came and help me took these photos. He is still waiting for his source to get back to him. I believe he would give me a good explaination for it.
 
These look like laps. I have several and they look very similar.
 
Btw This is the reply I get from my supplier:

" i am very careful with fish that can easily cause identification
problem and i don't mix them together in my tanks. I rarely ever even
mix fish from 2 different countries together. I am 100% sure that any
fish i sold you as Pbb is indeed the correct fish. The Pbb i import
from Chad were not purchased via Nigeria so ther is no way for them to
be mixed with Nigeria Laps. Now, if the basis you are using for
determining identity is the dorsal fin count that is a different story
because as i explained and as you have also seen on the discussion,
not all Laps have 13-14 dorsal finlets and not all Pbb must have 16
dorsal finlets."

Can I conclude that all 3 are PBB with 2 of them having 14 dorsal fins?

tigerlover2006;4715650; said:
These look like laps. I have several and they look very similar.
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That's why this thread is set up. Not many can tell PBB or nigerian Lap apart. It help many to distinguishe them apart should any importers pass other Lap species as PBB to earn a bigger profit.

You still into bichirs? Thought you already sold all your stocks?
 
Sorry bro, only one is a PBB.
Not just by dorsal finnage, but also by head shape, body pattern, contrast and such.

Of course your guy isn't going to own up to selling you Laps as PBB!
 
whats the best thing to feed bichirs to help them grow? and my endlicheri bichir never goes to the food, he only waits for it to be right in front of his face, and i started feeding my fish chopped up frozen smelt. so he never gets to eat :/
 
taisho75;4717444; said:
Btw This is the reply I get from my supplier:

" i am very careful with fish that can easily cause identification
problem and i don't mix them together in my tanks. I rarely ever even
mix fish from 2 different countries together. I am 100% sure that any
fish i sold you as Pbb is indeed the correct fish. The Pbb i import
from Chad were not purchased via Nigeria so ther is no way for them to
be mixed with Nigeria Laps. Now, if the basis you are using for
determining identity is the dorsal fin count that is a different story
because as i explained and as you have also seen on the discussion,
not all Laps have 13-14 dorsal finlets and not all Pbb must have 16
dorsal finlets."

Can I conclude that all 3 are PBB with 2 of them having 14 dorsal fins?



That's why this thread is set up. Not many can tell PBB or nigerian Lap apart. It help many to distinguishe them apart should any importers pass other Lap species as PBB to earn a bigger profit.

You still into bichirs? Thought you already sold all your stocks?
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Well any supplier can just lie when they know they made a big profit. They can just say that it came from this certain location and claim it to be that certain species. You have to know that he also got them from Africa and when big money is involved, those who ship the fish to him can just labeled them of anything they want. Polypterus bichir lapradei do exist in Chad as well and that may have mistaken identity when they got caught as both fish do look alike.

We don't ID PBB and lap buy just finlets alone. When finlets are 14-15 then we start looking with head shape, top view, lower jaw, thickness of lips equals or surpass the chin where the tip of gular plates are, length of tip of the upper jaw to the eyes. Length of the head from back of the eye to tip of gills. Those are some of the clues that will you have to start looking.

You own both PBB and laps and compare the PBB and Laps that we told you and you can clearly see the difference. Take a closer look at the head shape.
 
King-eL;4718086; said:
Well any supplier can just lie when they know they made a big profit. They can just say that it came from this certain location and claim it to be that certain species. You have to know that he also got them from Africa and when big money is involved, those who ship the fish to him can just labeled them of anything they want. Polypterus bichir lapradei do exist in Chad as well and that may have mistaken identity when they got caught as both fish do look alike.

We don't ID PBB and lap buy just finlets alone. When finlets are 14-15 then we start looking with head shape, top view, lower jaw, thickness of lips equals or surpass the chin where the tip of gular plates are, length of tip of the upper jaw to the eyes. Length of the head from back of the eye to tip of gills. Those are some of the clues that will you have to start looking.

You own both PBB and laps and compare the PBB and Laps that we told you and you can clearly see the difference. Take a closer look at the head shape.
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So I cant really blame him for the wrong species as his sources may tell him it is PBB when it is Lap. Hai...

At least I got a real PBB from him, but I believe there is another PBB in the other 2 as I checked carefully and this piece is not clearly seen in the pictures. It is similar to the PBB you all ID, but smaller and only 14 dorsal fins.

I have to take it as an expensive lesson. :(
 
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