PETA: Shark Attack Victims Deserve It - 5
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nah, i'm all for animal research for the betterment of everyone's life and future. however, i do disagree that most test animals have ideal living conditions but that's waaaaaaay off topic
hahaha, is that racist bro? i'm kidding
I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't been in an animal testing facility myself. We only had rabbits as the highest order animal (no dogs, cats, or primates) but everything was extremely regulated and the animals were kept in spacious areas which were cleaned daily (how many mice and rats get their cage cleaned daily as pets?) and if they were naturally social animals they had a minimum number per cage to account for socialization. They weren't cuddled or played with much (from my understanding of it, dogs, cats, and primates must have interaction such as playtime and walks to meet the needs of their species) but they were well taken care of.
When we had dogs in our labs we were mandated to spend so much time "playing" with them to work them and satisfy that side of their needs. They went on 3 walks daily as well. Some were relegated to walks around the facility which was about the size of 2-3 football fields but we put in objects for them to sniff or play with on their walk. If their immune system was ok or they were not a danger to anyone outside the lab then they were walked outside normally.
The labs I have been to with primates have some serious enclosures and act like zoos almost in terms of socialization and playtimes. There are set periods of the day for study data to be done so as to not interfere with their play schedules...
The labs I have been to with primates have some serious enclosures and act like zoos almost in terms of socialization and playtimes. There are set periods of the day for study data to be done so as to not interfere with their play schedules...
I always wondered about testing facilities. I am a bit curious do either of you know anything about labs getting animals off Craigslist? I know there was a report here that a testing labs workers were posing as a person looking for a pet, adopting the cheap/free pets off Craigslist and then taking them to the testing lab. (Sorry I know this is off topic) I thought it was a bit odd.
I guess it is possible depending on the type of work though it would not have passed any of my regulations when I was in a lab. I had to use animals bred for testing and raised as such. It maintained a valid benchmark for the testing if we knew whatthe animal has been raised on food wise and the full health history of the animal. I did a lot of biopharmaceutical work though and tested drugs for RA and such. We had mice genetically altered many times for our studies so that they would mimic the joint deteroriation of a human when going through RA.
With the FDA we also had to have some serious documentated paperwork on where we bought the animal, back history on the animal, documented living standards, and much much more. honestly having worked in the industry I think a lot of it was over the top (testing every parameter of water and serving it at a certain temp for example) but if in the end it maintained the baseline I agree it has a point. It might drive up costs some to maintain that standard but there is also a better insight into the happenings of the drug without having to account for more unknowns in the study.
With the FDA we also had to have some serious documentated paperwork on where we bought the animal, back history on the animal, documented living standards, and much much more. honestly having worked in the industry I think a lot of it was over the top (testing every parameter of water and serving it at a certain temp for example) but if in the end it maintained the baseline I agree it has a point. It might drive up costs some to maintain that standard but there is also a better insight into the happenings of the drug without having to account for more unknowns in the study.
My wife and I adopted a pair of greyhounds that had been research dogs (the kind that don't have to be sacrificed at the end, obviously--they just got frequent blood draws). The adoption process started with visitations at the lab, and we found out about their daily routine. They had walk-in closet size enclosures for each dog, and they had a couple of play/exercise times each day. There were also horses at this facility, and when the greyhounds went outside into the exercise yard (i.e., fenced field) it always seemed to me like they were trying to taunt the horse in the next field into a race....
Anyway, it seemed comfortable and humane. I'm sure they're not all so nice. But with greyhounds, it used to be common practice (might still be for all I know) to kill dogs that aren't racing anymore for whatever reason. So giving blood every week or two seems like a good deal by comparison lol
Anyway, it seemed comfortable and humane. I'm sure they're not all so nice. But with greyhounds, it used to be common practice (might still be for all I know) to kill dogs that aren't racing anymore for whatever reason. So giving blood every week or two seems like a good deal by comparison lol
Paul wants us dead? Where did that come from? Pretty sure he's never said anything negative to me.
Most labs are held to standards (USDA for mammals) and inspected on a regular basis. Quality labs do take very good care of livestock. That being said, just like in every industry, there are places that short cut - and give the rest a bad name.
All of the animals used in our facilities came from established vendors. Many were bred to have genetic defects so you could study the disease you wanted to study (obese rats, etc). Knowing the history of each animal model is important to help minimize baseline variability. For any animals who did not need to be sacrificed (no intervention such as the pregnant mice whose babies were used for neonatal tissue) we would try to adopt them out. In my lab where we mostly did in vitro work, we had a couple of pet mice that we kept from being sacrificed.
