Pitbutll Mauls 4 Yr Old Boy

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There's a difference between having a outside dog and a dog left outside on a tie out. I understand an outside dog but to leave a animal outside on a tie out and there is a difference between a tie out and long line. Although most people have a high energy dog and just through it outside when it just needs consistent training, exercise and maybe a dog sport

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There's a difference between having a outside dog and a dog left outside on a tie out. I understand an outside dog but to leave a animal outside on a tie out and there is a difference between a tie out and long line. Although most people have a high energy dog and just through it outside when it just needs consistent training, exercise and maybe a dog sport

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That is very true there is a difference. I just don't like it when people say the dog is being abused when it is out on a lead.
 
That is very true there is a difference. I just don't like it when people say the dog is being abused when it is out on a lead.

It's not the best option but it isn't out right out abuse although considering the breed and what that dog looked like neglect is a very possible thing. Reason I personally don't like tie out is most people do it 24/7 that's abuse and its creating a time bomb. Most dogs I've seen who spend most of the time on a tie out aren't socialized. So you a have a unsocialized dog which itself is dangerous who can't get away and learns aggressive outward instead of submit or retreat

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And your one the very few. Because 99/100 people that come in to buy chains for their dogs also call their dogs "stupid f'ing mutts" and mention how "they're dogs and they're supposed to live outside". I know that not everyone is like that but if your ever in west Texas you can come to work with me one day and be disgusted as how many people actually treat their dogs like "stupid animals" and not family members. I still don't think the dog should be put down. One of my dogs has vision problems and loud, awkward moving objects (kids) freak her out. So you know what I do, I don't let kids touch her. These parents should've been more responsible and rehomed the dog. Not the dogs fault.

Also I think it's great you treat your dog like that. But I've worked where I've worked for a loooong time. And in that time I've only meet a handful of people that I think take proper care of their animals.


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Hello; I think your comment may be one of the keys to the issue in question. Some people see their dogs as "family members" with all the emotional attachments that implies. Others of us care about a dog but not to the level of a brother, sister, parent or child. In fact, many of us place any dog at a much lower level than any human being even outside the family. Once you equate a dog with family the view on these maulings seems to take a different tone. I suspect some transference with regard as to how you would feel if your "family member dog" had bitten a child and was to be put down. I will speculate this is why you contend the dog in question should not be put down even after a bad mauling of a child. I can not come to embrace the empathy for a dog over that for a child.

I have had dogs that I cared about and was lucky in that none ever attacked a person. Had that happened, I like to think I would have put the dog down. Once a dog attacks a person, that is a line crossed. I can carve out a few specific exceptions. For example a dangerious intruder into a home attacked by a dog protecting a family member, not a visitor or child picking up a bone. A police or military dog that attacks under the supervision of it's trainer. There might possibly be other very specific cases, but not many of the reported mauling, including the one under discussion, fall into such a category. Dogs are not people and under law do not have the rights of people.

To the issue of pitbulls and rotweillers being somehow targeted and falsley demonized, consider this. Many of us have based our concerns not just on the media reports but on the numbers. As I read thru the studies in links I previously provided; these two breeds appear to make up five percent or less of the total dog population but account for over seventy percent (70%) of fatal maulings. If I recall correctly, over fifty percent (50+%) for pitbulls alone. There must be something to those numbers. Those of us who have to share the world with these dogs are, in my opinion, duly concerned. It is not likely to be only bad owners as it seems there should be similar numbers of bad owners of the other breeds.
 
Skjl, you're probably right. Because I will not stop defending the dog. The moral of my story is, the parents are to blame, not the dog.


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Hello; I think your comment may be one of the keys to the issue in question. Some people see their dogs as "family members" with all the emotional attachments that implies. Others of us care about a dog but not to the level of a brother, sister, parent or child. In fact, many of us place any dog at a much lower level than any human being even outside the family. Once you equate a dog with family the view on these maulings seems to take a different tone. I suspect some transference with regard as to how you would feel if your "family member dog" had bitten a child and was to be put down. I will speculate this is why you contend the dog in question should not be put down even after a bad mauling of a child. I can not come to embrace the empathy for a dog over that for a child.

I have had dogs that I cared about and was lucky in that none ever attacked a person. Had that happened, I like to think I would have put the dog down. Once a dog attacks a person, that is a line crossed. I can carve out a few specific exceptions. For example a dangerious intruder into a home attacked by a dog protecting a family member, not a visitor or child picking up a bone. A police or military dog that attacks under the supervision of it's trainer. There might possibly be other very specific cases, but not many of the reported mauling, including the one under discussion, fall into such a category. Dogs are not people and under law do not have the rights of people.

To the issue of pitbulls and rotweillers being somehow targeted and falsley demonized, consider this. Many of us have based our concerns not just on the media reports but on the numbers. As I read thru the studies in links I previously provided; these two breeds appear to make up five percent or less of the total dog population but account for over seventy percent (70%) of fatal maulings. If I recall correctly, over fifty percent (50+%) for pitbulls alone. There must be something to those numbers. Those of us who have to share the world with these dogs are, in my opinion, duly concerned. It is not likely to be only bad owners as it seems there should be similar numbers of bad owners of the other breeds.

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Skjl, you're probably right. Because I will not stop defending the dog. The moral of my story is, the parents are to blame, not the dog.


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I think this same attitude is why criminals are no longer punished. We have to figure out what is wrong with them to excuse their actions. So and so shot up a movie theater its not his fault mommy didn't love him enough. No the jerk is evil put him in jail. The dog attacked, the dog is to blame. Maybe it wasn't trained right and that is the fault of the owner but the dog is to blame. yes the baby sitter to but ultimately it was the dogs action.
 
I think this same attitude is why criminals are no longer punished. We have to figure out what is wrong with them to excuse their actions. So and so shot up a movie theater its not his fault mommy didn't love him enough. No the jerk is evil put him in jail. The dog attacked, the dog is to blame. Maybe it wasn't trained right and that is the fault of the owner but the dog is to blame. yes the baby sitter to but ultimately it was the dogs action.

Haha bull****. You cannot compare the actions of a person to that of an animal.


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I think this same attitude is why criminals are no longer punished. We have to figure out what is wrong with them to excuse their actions. So and so shot up a movie theater its not his fault mommy didn't love him enough. No the jerk is evil put him in jail. The dog attacked, the dog is to blame. Maybe it wasn't trained right and that is the fault of the owner but the dog is to blame. yes the baby sitter to but ultimately it was the dogs action.

I'm not sure if criminals aren't getting punished...but anyways...animals aren't exactly criminals. Like someone mentioned, they don't have rights like human beings. Ergo, they cannot be held responsible to the same standards as a human being. They also don't have the same cerebral faculties for say "murderous instincts". They can act out of fear, aggression caused by this fear, human training or lack there of, genetics, selective breeding, etc. But in the end, they are private property and the responsibility of there actions falls on their owners. A child is obviously not private property, but similarly should be in the care and control of an adult/parent. If that child breaks a neighbor's window with a baseball, yes the child is physically responsible, like the dog is physically responsible for mauling that child. However, the parent or dog owner is legally, morally, ethically etc. responsible for that child or dog. It means paying to fix the window and making sure the child learns how to go to a (park/be more careful) next time he wants to throw a baseball. Same way the dog owner should pay for all the mauled child's medical bills and accept the criminality of any laws broken by creating/allowing a situation where something like this can happen. You can't just punish the dog and not the owner. This person has proven to be an unfit dog owner and because of this, a boy's face has been mauled and a dog will most like get euthanized. It is a LOSE - LOSE situation.

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