Please help me my fishes act strange and may die.

[professorjimjam]

Dears,

I panicked today and took out all of the fishes from the old tank and put them in the new tank. I went to a pet store. bought eSHa 202 which contains copper sulphate .

I dropped drops in fish tank according to the instruction for each 5 liters 1 drop. so 123 Liters tank 24 drops. but before I came back from the pet store, one of my neon tetra was dead and floating. I do not know what caused its dead. there wasn't any difference in PH or temperature between the old tank and new tank. it made me very sad.

Now, I worry about my other fishes and I pray that they get better and do not die.
The pet store also gave me CATAPPA BLADE shown in below photo. I do not know what it is, but she told me it will be helpful for the fishes.

So, I also dropped one of the leaf from CATAPPA BLADE into the tank.

I really appreciate your help, I need to know if there is any side effect on using the eSHa 202, as you can see from the cover of the bottle, it gives warning I quote "Harmful to aquatic organism and may cause long-term adverse effect in the aquatic environment"
the per store told me it will not affect my fishes, or plants or snails, it may kill algae (which I do not care).
But my worry is,

1- will it kill the beneficial bacteria of Nitrosomonas and Nitrobacter those which disolves the fish poop?
2- will this copper sulphate kill my snails?
3- after my fishes got cured, do I need to do a big water change to get rid of the copper sulphate?
4- what does really "may cause long-term adverse effect in the aquatic environment" mean? does it this chemical will stay in my tank in long term?
5- any side effect to the fishes?
6- what is this CATAPPA BLADE anyway? will it help?
7- have you ever used copper sulphate to cure ich? how was your experience can you please share ?

 

[Deadeye]

Stop the copper! It kills pufferfish and inverts. Salt should be non-iodized.

 

[professorjimjam]

oh my god, I already had put 24 drops. should I change the water now? what should I do?

how much of water I need to change to remove the trace of copper? all of it?

 

[duanes]

Since your fish already have ick, you should expect a number to die, don't be surprised if more die.
From your photos it is obvious from the amount of spots on them, that the ick has been in the tank a while.
As each ick spot matures up to 100 new ick hatch from each of those spots, and if those new hatchlings are not killed immediately by medication or salt they will continuously reinfect, which weakens the fish even more.
By putting them in the new tank, you have now infected that tank too, so it must also be treated.
It is normal for a new aquarist not to notice the ick at first.
It may have been on the fish the day you bought them.
Sometimes ick in hidden under the gill plate and easily missed.

 

[professorjimjam]

Since your fish already have ick, you should expect a number to die, don't be surprised if more die.
From your photos it is obvious from the amount of spots on them, that the ick has been in the tank a while.
As each ick spot matures up to 100 new ick hatch from each of those spots, and if those new hatchlings are not killed immediately by medication or salt they will continuously reinfect, which weakens the fish even more.
By putting them in the new tank, you have now infected that tank too, so it must also be treated.
It is normal for a new aquarist not to notice the ick at first.
It may have been on the fish the day you bought them.
Sometimes ick in hidden under the gill plate and easily missed.

I am so mad at the pet store who sold me the sick fishes. I did not know, there were some fishes that were in sales price and I bought them. I regret very much.

during the medication should I feed them? Now, I used the eSHa 202 24 drops. I do not know what to do. the pet store said it will not kill my fishes including the puffers will not be affected, I had some snails and I started to see them becoming inactive. I think copper killed them, I removed their dead bodies, but I do not know how many more are under the stand and are dead. I am worried that these dead snails will increase ammonia. in the last couple of weeks, I spent more 1000 USD in tanks and fishes and a lot of my good hours wasted. I do not know how other people keep fish and also do their work that pays the bill. I could not even do my work, I had to take leave to be able to care for fishes, changing water and running around .

 

[Deadeye]

Water changes should make the snails negligible. Run carbon in the filter to remove the copper.
Not your fault that the fish had ich, it often doesn’t surface for a while.

 

[duanes]

The pet store may or may not have known they were infected, and sometimes just moving stresses fish out and lowers immune response.
The fact that your tank may not have been properly cycled is also a stressor that can bring on disease.
All it takes is one hidden or invisible spot to cause an epidemic.
Whenever we get new fish, it is possible one or more can be infected.
When I received wild fish from a river, I found 1 had an ick spot, and had to treat my entire tank, I treated for 2 months before I was sure the parasites were gone.
.

 

[professorjimjam]

Deadeye
I did water change 60% and then another pet shop sold me this new product which does not seem to be copper. he said I should also put per liter 2 grams of salt together with this product.
please see and let me know, if i shall proceed.

 

[Deadeye]

Deadeye
I did water change 60% and then another pet shop sold me this new product which does not seem to be copper. he said I should also put per liter 2 grams of salt together with this product.
please see and let me know, if i shall proceed.

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I’m not familiar with this particular med. What are the ingredients? Should be safe as long as there is no copper to my knowledge.

 

[professorjimjam]

Thanks Deadeye

The ingredients are

Ethacridine lactate Malachite green Methylene blue

is it safe to go?