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also you would need to take into account the relative large waterchanges needed to keep the water good enough for rays , and considering channa dont really like large water changes i think you may struggle , something i havnt tried as yet so i cannot be certain , plus i would think you may have trouble getting food down to the rays with the channa in the tank

cheers col
 
tropheus;1822483; said:
also you would need to take into account the relative large waterchanges needed to keep the water good enough for rays , and considering channa dont really like large water changes i think you may struggle , something i havnt tried as yet so i cannot be certain , plus i would think you may have trouble getting food down to the rays with the channa in the tank

cheers col

actually,ive doen large water changes with my channas with no problems.
but yea,i agree you might have problem getting food to the rays depending on the species of channa.
 
rays are a no no then...lol
thanks for the advice fellas
 
i'll just stick with trying a pbass and an arro then
 
channarox;1822515; said:
actually,ive doen large water changes with my channas with no problems.
but yea,i agree you might have problem getting food to the rays depending on the species of channa.


you can get away with large water changes with some Channa but some are fussy when doing large water changes at least thats what i have found , esp. reds

in fact as Ron found out a few weeks back when he had problems after a large change ,i also have a bit of a sad update .

i now know exactly what Ron was referring too when he posted a couple of weeks back , now i have been keeping reds on and off for years and apart from the one that got eaten ,the two i had left where the 1st ones i have lost ,
i always trickle my new water into the tank from the cold tap via two 5micron filters and two carbon blocks at a rate that doesn't lower the temp too much , i always do 25% -30% twice a week on my tank with reds in , this time i had found some uneaten prawns under the heater trapped and the water started to smell a bit ,so decided to do a 60% change as the tank was nearly full both reds within a couple a secs of each other went into a seizure type state they where both paralyzed and started to sink (gills wide open giving the appearance of there heads been doubled in size ) ,after approx 15-20 of holding them in the flow but supporting there heads slightly out out the water they started to come round , unfortunately though they did not fully recover and could not swim correctly ,after 1 hour of trying to save them , they finally passed , so i have no longer got my reds , and the only thing common to mine and Ron's experience is the extra large water changes that we carried out , so you may get away with it ,once twice even fifty times , but please all be aware that this is a possibility . iam pretty peed off at the moment as i hate seeing any Channa losses esp. when it was directly my own fault.

anyway that is the latest on my reds , i dont think i will be getting any more at the moment as i will use the extra space for more dwarfs to try and breed

cheers col
 
tropheus;1824943; said:
you can get away with large water changes with some Channa but some are fussy when doing large water changes at least thats what i have found , esp. reds

in fact as Ron found out a few weeks back when he had problems after a large change ,i also have a bit of a sad update .

i now know exactly what Ron was referring too when he posted a couple of weeks back , now i have been keeping reds on and off for years and apart from the one that got eaten ,the two i had left where the 1st ones i have lost ,
i always trickle my new water into the tank from the cold tap via two 5micron filters and two carbon blocks at a rate that doesn't lower the temp too much , i always do 25% -30% twice a week on my tank with reds in , this time i had found some uneaten prawns under the heater trapped and the water started to smell a bit ,so decided to do a 60% change as the tank was nearly full both reds within a couple a secs of each other went into a seizure type state they where both paralyzed and started to sink (gills wide open giving the appearance of there heads been doubled in size ) ,after approx 15-20 of holding them in the flow but supporting there heads slightly out out the water they started to come round , unfortunately though they did not fully recover and could not swim correctly ,after 1 hour of trying to save them , they finally passed , so i have no longer got my reds , and the only thing common to mine and Ron's experience is the extra large water changes that we carried out , so you may get away with it ,once twice even fifty times , but please all be aware that this is a possibility . iam pretty peed off at the moment as i hate seeing any Channa losses esp. when it was directly my own fault.

anyway that is the latest on my reds , i dont think i will be getting any more at the moment as i will use the extra space for more dwarfs to try and breed

cheers col


wow sorry to hear that col.
at least on one hand we can safely say that large water changes are a definite no, and that doing so can cause these seizures. i would almost call it some kind of stroke.
dont know about you col, but i found it quite scary...lol i thought his head was going to pop

did u not blow air into their mouths? thats really what brought mine back i think
 
tropheus;1824943; said:
i now know exactly what Ron was referring too when he posted a couple of weeks back , now i have been keeping reds on and off for years and apart from the one that got eaten ,the two i had left where the 1st ones i have lost ,
i always trickle my new water into the tank from the cold tap via two 5micron filters and two carbon blocks at a rate that doesn't lower the temp too much , i always do 25% -30% twice a week on my tank with reds in , this time i had found some uneaten prawns under the heater trapped and the water started to smell a bit ,so decided to do a 60% change as the tank was nearly full both reds within a couple a secs of each other went into a seizure type state they where both paralyzed and started to sink (gills wide open giving the appearance of there heads been doubled in size ) ,after approx 15-20 of holding them in the flow but supporting there heads slightly out out the water they started to come round , unfortunately though they did not fully recover and could not swim correctly ,after 1 hour of trying to save them , they finally passed , so i have no longer got my reds , and the only thing common to mine and Ron's experience is the extra large water changes that we carried out , so you may get away with it ,once twice even fifty times , but please all be aware that this is a possibility . iam pretty peed off at the moment as i hate seeing any Channa losses esp. when it was directly my own fault.

anyway that is the latest on my reds , i dont think i will be getting any more at the moment as i will use the extra space for more dwarfs to try and breed

cheers col

damn. sorry about your loss, col, i know you really liked those lil' guys. i will quit giving mine 50%+ water changes from now on.
 
Sucks about the reds. i always boil the kettle a few times, mix it with tap water and tap safe it. No worries about temp change then!
 
i dont think temp is what causes it, like tropheus says, he does it in a trickle method so temp only drops by a few degrees. i think maybe its water chemistry

or maybe a mixture of both?
 
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