balrock043;3022610; said:
Those 3 are not valuable fish and if they were bought for over $10 a piece, he was ripped off. Throwing sums out like $8-$20K severely misleads people.
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Those 3 are not valuable fish and if they were bought for over $10 a piece, he was ripped off. Throwing sums out like $8-$20K severely misleads people.
Dear balrock043, I also did never think that they are valuable fish. Because there is no market here for a quality koi, and I bought them abt a year ago, each for 0,06 USD. Yes only six cents and that is the regular price here, no barganing. One day I wish I could have valuable ones. Hankn is right.
Regarding your warning abt the butterfly breeds, wish also I could see the difference but not possible yet. Thanks
Regarding your warning abt the butterfly breeds, wish also I could see the difference but not possible yet. Thanks
Many people do not realize just how much some are willing to pay for these fish.. the most recent fish i purchaced cost $200 and it was no bigger than 5 inches..
the link below will take you to a NON japanese koi retailer.. note that NONE of the fish shown are at their full size
http://www.mystickoi.com/koiForSale.php?KGroup=200088
the link below will take you to a NON japanese koi retailer.. note that NONE of the fish shown are at their full size
http://www.mystickoi.com/koiForSale.php?KGroup=200088
For my knowledge; is it only the good colour patterns that make their values soooo high?
Sorry for my ignorance.
Sorry for my ignorance.
It is a combination of color pattern, depth of color, how vivid the colors are, and color coloring edging as well as the shape of the koi. For a quick review of the color patterns:
http://www.pondkoi.com/koi_guide.htm
For a quick koi judging oveview:
http://www.pondkoi.com/judging.htm
http://www.pondkoi.com/koi_guide.htm
For a quick koi judging oveview:
http://www.pondkoi.com/judging.htm
Its not a problem.. my father and i started off the same way.. we just bought fish from any store... we did a lot of research and found the valuable breeds, and located breeders that could guarantee quality fish and we knew they came from a good bloodline.. Koi keeping is a lot like breeding pedigree dogs...
regarding the quality and value, at koi shows, the judges and breeders look for certain color traits. They look for blood red, deep blacks, pristine whites, and few blemishes.
if you have a koi that is supposed to be white with red markings, and it has a tiny black spot somwhere, that small blemish greatly reduces the value and quality of the fish in the eyes of the breeder.
i know the prices people are willing to pay are EXTREMELY ridiculous, but people are willing to pay for beauty..
did you know that a single yellowfin tuna sells in the japanese fish markets at an average of $75,000? People are willing to pay these prices for a higher quality of fish...
if you know where to sell your fish, you can make BANK...
The last 3 fish my father and i purchaced ran for no less than 80 dollars, and that was a DEAL... The japanese revere the beauty of these fish, and are willing to pay outrageous sums for them...
also, there is an issure of the hardness of your water... the harder the water (the greater the mineral content) the more vivid the colors of your fish..
I live in california, which has some of the HARDEST water anywhere, so the colors of my fish seem to hurt my eyes when i look at them.. lol...
regarding the quality and value, at koi shows, the judges and breeders look for certain color traits. They look for blood red, deep blacks, pristine whites, and few blemishes.
if you have a koi that is supposed to be white with red markings, and it has a tiny black spot somwhere, that small blemish greatly reduces the value and quality of the fish in the eyes of the breeder.
i know the prices people are willing to pay are EXTREMELY ridiculous, but people are willing to pay for beauty..
did you know that a single yellowfin tuna sells in the japanese fish markets at an average of $75,000? People are willing to pay these prices for a higher quality of fish...
if you know where to sell your fish, you can make BANK...
The last 3 fish my father and i purchaced ran for no less than 80 dollars, and that was a DEAL... The japanese revere the beauty of these fish, and are willing to pay outrageous sums for them...
also, there is an issure of the hardness of your water... the harder the water (the greater the mineral content) the more vivid the colors of your fish..
I live in california, which has some of the HARDEST water anywhere, so the colors of my fish seem to hurt my eyes when i look at them.. lol...
regarding spawning, if you can catch them in the act, the male will continually follow the female and pin her against the side of the pond.... bubbles will start to form on the surface, and there will be a noticeable odor.. the water will also cloud slightly, and there will be HUNDREDS of eggs.. i recommend either purchasing a spawning net, which is a reversible basket with floaters on top, or place large rocks in the pond and transfer to a smaller pond after spawningtugo;2940555;2940555 said:
Dear hankn and balrock043, thanks for the valuable information you both give. Now I know what to read and follow. Also I will see how hard is my water and what can I do.
Regarding spawning, don't ask me what I did some days ago. A bit shame. The fish were really like crazy, chasing and disturbing 3 females and really it was like a horror movie what they did to the females. I kept looking at this fight and after some time I realised that the water surface was terribly cloudy and realised that 2 females had allready spawned and the fight was going after the third one, who was still too fat looking. She was trying to hide under the bare roots of umbrella plant but she was nearly pushed out from that edge of the pond where is shallow. I was not ready at all for any action, had no spawning net, ne spawning tank, nothing. And suddenly, because of the instinct push of what I had read just a day ago, about how to spawn a fish by pressing tenderly to her belly, I filled up a bucket with pond water and just got the female bare hand (she had no place to escape and was stranded as a ship wreck) and pushed my finger to her belly, and the eggs flushed out. I kept giving air into the bucket and added some fresh water for the next 6-7 days but unfortunately all the eggs stick to the bottom pf the bucket like a jelly hill and nothing happened.
I was very sorry for what I did without being ready and knowledgeable. But that was an experrience for the next time. I must be ready and fully equipped. Also could that be that the eggs were not fertilised?
Regarding spawning, don't ask me what I did some days ago. A bit shame. The fish were really like crazy, chasing and disturbing 3 females and really it was like a horror movie what they did to the females. I kept looking at this fight and after some time I realised that the water surface was terribly cloudy and realised that 2 females had allready spawned and the fight was going after the third one, who was still too fat looking. She was trying to hide under the bare roots of umbrella plant but she was nearly pushed out from that edge of the pond where is shallow. I was not ready at all for any action, had no spawning net, ne spawning tank, nothing. And suddenly, because of the instinct push of what I had read just a day ago, about how to spawn a fish by pressing tenderly to her belly, I filled up a bucket with pond water and just got the female bare hand (she had no place to escape and was stranded as a ship wreck) and pushed my finger to her belly, and the eggs flushed out. I kept giving air into the bucket and added some fresh water for the next 6-7 days but unfortunately all the eggs stick to the bottom pf the bucket like a jelly hill and nothing happened.
I was very sorry for what I did without being ready and knowledgeable. But that was an experrience for the next time. I must be ready and fully equipped. Also could that be that the eggs were not fertilised?
not to worry.. your fish may spawn again by the end of the summer, and if not, they spawn yearly.. you should prepare a separate tank and wait for the female to lay the eggs. for that purpose, place large rocks or spawning nets into the pond, and when she lays her eggs on them , transfer the eggs to the smaller tank... the eggs should hatch from anywhere between 2 weeks and a month.. and dont worry about the males chasing the females. this is typical behavior and pinning the female to the wall is the way they fertilize the eggs...but if there is more than one male, try and relocate him until the female lays the eggs...
