Pump/Return/Ball Valve

[fox3]

yogurt I am not getting what you a talking about

I am using (2) 1" overflows which according to everything you will read here and other similar sites say should drain 600 gph each. Or twelve hundred gph.

I get ~1900 gph outta them. I bucket tested and got 33 gallons flow in just over 1 minute. I send ~1800 gph to the DT and bypass ~200 gph thru the fuge. On a AGA 210 G RR tank.

I balanced the drains so almost no air is ingested and get full flow thru them. Like putting a muzzle onna dog it quiets them right down to near silence. Mebbe I should say I am using 1-1/2" PVC and 90° sweeps with no elbows until right above the sump.

If I was able to oversize the overflows I would up the pump ... rinse and repeat ... until I got the flowrate and turnover I look for.

Thing is to back down a bit before full capacity. I do adjust the valves mebbe every 8 months or so but only for piece of mind as they have not changed in five years now that I have been operating this way.

 

[ShadowStryder]

There are some that would argue that throttling back the pump will not hurt it is the long run as these are design to withstand a certain amount of head pressure. In some instances, a higher head pressure will decrease the energy utilization of the pump.

There is supposed to be a thread somewhere where this was debated and was proven to be correct. Of course I haven't found it. In fact when I contacted the manufacturer they told me I could throttle it down 10-15 % without any damage to the pump.

 

[yogurt_21]

yogurt I am not getting what you a talking about

I am using (2) 1" overflows which according to everything you will read here and other similar sites say should drain 600 gph each. Or twelve hundred gph.

I get ~1900 gph outta them. I bucket tested and got 33 gallons flow in just over 1 minute. I send ~1800 gph to the DT and bypass ~200 gph thru the fuge. On a AGA 210 G RR tank.

I balanced the drains so almost no air is ingested and get full flow thru them. Like putting a muzzle onna dog it quiets them right down to near silence. Mebbe I should say I am using 1-1/2" PVC and 90° sweeps with no elbows until right above the sump.

If I was able to oversize the overflows I would up the pump ... rinse and repeat ... until I got the flowrate and turnover I look for.

Thing is to back down a bit before full capacity. I do adjust the valves mebbe every 8 months or so but only for piece of mind as they have not changed in five years now that I have been operating this way.

the overflow automatically does all that you've done manually. if you have a desired flow rate all you need to do is size the pump accordingly. you've basically taken soemthing extraordinarily simple and way overcomplicated it.

 

['vspec']

I agree with all parties, cause in effect, aspects are all relating to the same, its just different preferences based on personal risk assements.

Im all for oversizing (if you could call it that -as its just the norm for me) both plumbing & RP's, & In actual fact, i dont mind a slight noise in the sump. To me, its the drive component of any given system. There is many a time ive just been able to walk into the fish room & detect something was wrong purely due to a noise variations of the norm. Its far easier & a preference for myself to deploy durso's & factor potential noise dampening into the design, rather than create restrictions of any sort by default.

Just my view on the subject anyways.

 

[fox3]

>snip<

you've basically taken soemthing extraordinarily simple and way overcomplicated it.

You see that is where you keep losing me

I over size the pump to get the most outta the drains. If your pump is too small ( or drains are larger than your pump can supply) than you basically have a system where ... welll your pump(s) are too small. Can't change that. Well you can but you need to get another pump.

Solution ... Simply get a larger pump than needed ... adjust drains to handle flow ... tee off excess back to sump and mebbe multi task this flow if you feel like it.

Been doing it this way for years and the fish have splashed more water on the hardwood than my sump has.

Do what ever you feel is safest for your situation and take whatever precautions you feel necessary, that would be the absolute wisest course of action for anyone to take. For me I will never buy an undersized pump again, I have like three now in the closet and the wife will want a water feature in the yard if she finds 'em.

It's all good m8

 

['vspec']

There is supposed to be a thread somewhere where this was debated and was proven to be correct. Of course I haven't found it. In fact when I contacted the manufacturer they told me I could throttle it down 10-15 % without any damage to the pump.

Originally Posted by Pharaoh
There are some that would argue that throttling back the pump will not hurt it is the long run as these are design to withstand a certain amount of head pressure. In some instances, a higher head pressure will decrease the energy utilization of the pump.


At the end of the day, design is everything, so i wouldn't doubt it.
Does someone know the topic thread at least?. Talk about a needle in a stack of needles in this place.

 

['vspec']

Im in check up mode
How's your system going now?

 

[ShadowStryder]

Hey V, its running great. Thanks for checking in. Getting ready here pretty soon to add a second 1600 gph Overflow Box
and then I can start throttling down the T return back to the sump and increase my turnover.

 

['vspec']

Nice. - wow, 6000+lt/h now your talking, thats a decent chunk of change. What were you keeping again, the memory is cactus these days.
Although we do expect to be treated with at least 1 picture ok bud. Its nice to see peoples handy work.

 

[ShadowStryder]

[QUOTE='vspec';442336;0]Nice. - wow, 6000+lt/h now your talking, thats a decent chunk of change. What were you keeping again, the memory is cactus these days.
Although we do expect to be treated with at least 1 picture ok bud. Its nice to see peoples handy work.[/QUOTE]

Rays! And will do with the pic. Also have two FX5's on the system.
Here is a link to the thread I did on it a while back.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343719