Questions about rays and tanks

[jstavis]

I see the point of view u guys are coming from, but to be honest I think California has bigger problems that need worry about that someone owning a ray

Personally, I don't see anything immoral or unethical about owning a prohibited fish-- the laws are aimed at people who might release it. I know I won't release it, so problem solved.

That being said, I definitely would not underestimate the willingness of government agencies to enforce the law, regardless of the seriousness of the offense. There's really no ordinance that Fish and Wildlife enforces that addresses a huge social problem that everyone is terribly worried about. And yet they enforce the law.

My point is that you should maybe rethink the idea of posting about this stuff on a public forum.

 

[Venom Stinger]

i would do a search on pool heaters.

 

[BrandonJ3vino]

Got it man don't trip


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[hereticlosmorte]

Personally, I don't see anything immoral or unethical about owning a prohibited fish-- the laws are aimed at people who might release it. I know I won't release it, so problem solved.

That being said, I definitely would not underestimate the willingness of government agencies to enforce the law, regardless of the seriousness of the offense. There's really no ordinance that Fish and Wildlife enforces that addresses a huge social problem that everyone is terribly worried about. And yet they enforce the law.

My point is that you should maybe rethink the idea of posting about this stuff on a public forum.

it's not necessarily releasing the fish yourself. say you live in florida, and you have a hurricane tear through your house, and it floods so your fish enters the waterways. because it can live and breed in these waters, even somehow unintentionally letting it loose could cause untold amount of problems for the native species, or for the human populace.

same could be said about in cali, because it is warm enough to keep them alive if it got out.

they're just doing it to protect their butts.

 

[1969ElCamino]

Got it man don't trip


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Trip? His shoelaces are tied.....
Back on subject, I too wanted rays. But I figured it wasent worth the huge fine and jail time if caught with them. In reality, The California Department of Fish and Game take the matter very seriously and if someone were to report you, they will be knocking at your door

 

[jstavis]

it's not necessarily releasing the fish yourself. say you live in florida, and you have a hurricane tear through your house, and it floods so your fish enters the waterways. because it can live and breed in these waters, even somehow unintentionally letting it loose could cause untold amount of problems for the native species, or for the human populace.

same could be said about in cali, because it is warm enough to keep them alive if it got out.

they're just doing it to protect their butts.

All of these things could also happen to a breeder with a Florida license. And while I wouldn't be shocked if there's one or two examples of fish spreading this way, I really doubt that it's a likely scenario. It's one thing to acknowledge the existence of a law, to obey it, and to and warn others of the consequences of violating it. But there's no reason that we have to concede that the law is reasonable in all circumstances.

 

[hereticlosmorte]

All of these things could also happen to a breeder with a Florida license. And while I wouldn't be shocked if there's one or two examples of fish spreading this way, I really doubt that it's a likely scenario. It's one thing to acknowledge the existence of a law, to obey it, and to and warn others of the consequences of violating it. But there's no reason that we have to concede that the law is reasonable in all circumstances.

it is hard enough for universities and public aquariums to even obtain licenses for freshwater rays in florida, much less a private breeder to get one. they don't hand them out like candy. i'd be surprised if there were more private FW ray breeders in florida than you could count on one hand, and that's being optimistic.