Raging Bull Gores Man to Death!

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I felt guilty because I was guilty. I had a childish notion based on becoming attached to a food animal. Maybe my being a child is an excuse, but I think I learned from this. One thing learned is treating food animals like pets is a bad idea. Thinking of food animals as something other than fresh food is a bad idea. It starts up a mindset which is not realistic. Food animals should be raised in mostly humane conditions and killed as humanely as possible within your circumstances. They are not pets and they are not wild animals
Very well understood and I get it. Remember my Mother-in-law having a what she thought was her pet pig but one day became dinner.
 
Hello; When I was a child my family had chickens and ducks. I helped my mother catch hens for our meals. By the time I was six I was cutting off their heads myself. At some point my grandfather brought us a couple of rabbits. We had them in separate boxes in the kitchen for some reason. Somehow my sisters rabbit got into the box with my rabbit. They were fighting with tufts of fur flying. Turns out they were two bucks. I reached in to grab one of them and got a bad bite on my left hand. Still have the scar. Rabbits can scratch you really good also. One buck was replaced with a female.
Anyway, before long we had lots of rabbits. My father would skin them and treat the fur. We would eat the meat. One day I walked in on him skinning my rabbit. I freaked out ( i was still a lot less than ten years old). My mom raised hell because i was crying. My dad got mad and opened the cages of the rabbits. The rabbits ran loose. The neighborhood dogs had a field day catching and killing all the rabbits. Those rabbits had never been out of a cage. It was something to see. Not a pleasant thing to see.
I felt guilty because I was guilty. I had a childish notion based on becoming attached to a food animal. Maybe my being a child is an excuse, but I think I learned from this. One thing learned is treating food animals like pets is a bad idea. Thinking of food animals as something other than fresh food is a bad idea. It starts up a mindset which is not realistic. Food animals should be raised in mostly humane conditions and killed as humanely as possible within your circumstances. They are not pets and they are not wild animals.
I do not hunt. Partly because I do not like cleaning and dressing a carcass. Mostly because I do not like the taste of deer. I have had it cooked many ways and will eat it, but it is low on my list of meat to eat. Mutton is also not a favored meat. I like bison however.

I'm not sure what the bull situation has to to with your, "don't get attached to food animals" philosophy. I'm in complete agreement that one shouldn't look on food animals as pets, or get attached to them in anyway. I get that.

But the bull was hardly a pet. It was just an object of fun. If it gets killed during the process, it's lost. If it wins, hurting the matador, or whoever, in the process, it gets slaughtered anyway, lost again.

The meat of the dead animal goes to the local market and sold in most instances so in a way the bull could be looked at as a food animal, very much like your chickens, ducks and rabbits when you were young.

But I bet your animals, destined for the table, were never subjected to tortuous games solely for the pleasure of you and your father.

Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding your point.
 
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I'm not sure what the bull situation has to to with your, "don't get attached to food animals" philosophy. I'm in complete agreement that one shouldn't look on food animals as pets, or get attached to them in anyway. I get that.

But the bull was hardly a pet. It was just an object of fun. If it gets killed during the process, it's lost. If it wins, hurting the matador, or whoever, in the process, it gets slaughtered anyway, lost again.

The meat of the dead animal goes to the local market and sold in most instances so in a way the bull could be looked at as a food animal, very much like your chickens, ducks and rabbits when you were young.

But I bet your animals, destined for the table, were never subjected to tortuous games solely for the pleasure of you and your father.

Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding your point.
But I draw the line when people have to involve poor innocent animals in their idea of "fun". That is totally unacceptable and irresponsible.

It was a resounding, and deserved win for the bull, and I for one am delighted about that.



Hello; You did not misunderstand my point. It is that the thread moved on some for a bit. There is some relationship to my do not become attached to food animals philosophy with the bull in question. You are correct in that my family did not mistreat the animals we kept for sport. They were not kept in luxury either. We were close to being poor so a sick or hurt animal was just put out of it's misery and not taken to a vet. That included pets such as dogs. We did what could be done and if the dog was too hurt or sick it went "to live on a farm" was what I was told as a child.

I do not have furry pets anymore because of the societal requirements now surrounding keeping dogs, cats, horses and even goats. Better to avoid all the issues. I have seen neighbors spend hundreds of dollars they cannot afford on sick/hurt dogs. Once even on a stray that got hit by a car on the road near our homes. My first instinct was to put it down, but they could not go along with that. They went thru a lot of trouble trying to get it help. The dog suffered for days and died anyway. I was sad for the dog but also glad I did not have to actually kill it myself. Had enough of that sort of thing. Best to not have a dog anymore.

There is a goat story on this forum some years back that illustrates a point. A guy up outside Louisville KY had a goat on a rope tied to a cinder block. He moved the goat around the property as it ate down grass and weeds. Some city folks moved in to be in the country and started giving him grief about the poor goat. They had notions as to how it should not be kept that way. That it needed this and that. That they did not like seeing the poor thing tied to a block. The goat was happy enough and had plenty to eat and water to drink. It was even being useful. Eventually the old farmer got tired of the grief and just killed the goat and cooked it. Now my question is did all the concern for the goat's situation do the goat any good?

Last thing. You seemed to miss the point about the man killed by the bull which started this thread. That man did not set the fire on the bulls horns. He was not the person who raised/bought it to be in the fighting arena. He was just a dumb drunk who did an "hey watch this" and tried to run with the bulls. As you say the bull is doomed to die as all food animals do. The bull got a human doing something stupid. I think of it the same as anytime a drunk does something and gets hurt. Saw a drunk run a motorcycle into a truck going 60 mph. Felt the same about him. Was sad for the driver of the truck as it caused him needless trouble. I made sure to tell the cops that the drunk cyclist pulled out into the path of the truck. The bull was not striking a blow against animal cruelty.

The world is a cruel place. Always has been and likely always will be.
 
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a goat on a rope tied to a cinder block.

Wow, this almost brings a tear to my eye Jeff, not because it's cruel and I feel sorry for the goat, no, on the contrary. It takes me back to my youth many years ago.

I grew up on a small farm and we had half a dozen goats. Any area around the place that was getting overgrown my dad would tie one of the goats to a cinder block with a rope and just let it do its thing.

A few hours later and the whole area would look like a well manicured lawn, with some added fertilizer too!!

We never killed our goats, we kept them solely for their "gardening" skills and milk. As a kid, goats milk took some getting used to, it's an acquired taste, lol. But I soon grew to love it, and my mum would cook the most fantastic rice pudding using it.

I'd better stop now before I start crying, lol.
 
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....rice pudding with goat meat?
 
Hello; My guess is the milk is used. I do enjoy goat meat. I do not care for feta cheese.

I've had plenty of goats milk in my time, but never goat meat. I had never heard of feta cheese until I started going to Greece on holiday. They use it in an authentic Greek salad, which I absolutely love.
 
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I've had plenty of goats milk in my time, but never goat meat. I had never heard of feta cheese until I started going to Greece on holiday. They use it in an authentic Greek salad, which I absolutely love.
Hello; Some love it. A couple i knew, both dead now, raised goats and made that cheese. At least they called it feta. Maybe they were not so good at making it??
 
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