ray issues

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Glad to hear the ray is good and your water params are good now. Nothin worse than losing a ray. Rays have a huge bio load so remember bio media and water changes are key. I also didn't mean to sound ignorant to yunglin but information like his is not correct, even if he did correct himself later, it can be misleading and cause for an over reaction in your case.

Keep us posted. Thus forum is to help, not hinder!
 
glad to hear rays and tank are starting to get back to normal.
I would get you a Ammonia test kit. It in my opinon is an important part of ray keeping. Esp if you are keeping other fish in with your rays.
As far as the Nitrate levels. 40 is to me the most it should be. Rays can prob be ok in higher, but 40 is ok and lower is better.
As your tank cycles, it should lower even more. But that will also depend on your tank, setup, bio load and water you use. Every tank is different. Every setup is different, no two will ever be the exact same. But a close range in reading is what everyone is trying to tell you.
I do not allow my tank nitrates to get above 40. My average is 25 - 30. But depending on how much you keep up with water changes, your filtration and bio-load, that will be a factor as what works best for you and your rays.
Let the tanks do the work. Chemicals in my opinion are not the way to control things.
In time, the tank will settle and maintain itself to a point except for water changes and cleanings.
 
Younglin;5112002; said:
As usual I didn't read the whole thread.

But let me chime in with this; Nitrates of 80 PPM is not liveable ESPECIALLY for rays. Keep your nitrates under 20 PPM or for rays I'd keep it under 10.



WTF?
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Zoodiver;4208692; said:
Many LARGE systems don't have the ability to do water changes based on percents like small home tanks can do. You think Georgia Aq does a weekly 20% change on the big tank? I've seen nitrates over 800 or 900 with healthy animals in them.
My current ray pool (10,000 gallons) is over 200 right now and doing just fine.

When I kept FW rays at home, it was once every couple of months. But I had enough bacteria going that I didn't need to. It's all about the right balance, and keeping the tanking at the end stage of the cycle... not swinging it all the time with big water changes (which just creates mini cylces in the chemistry).
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Zoodiver;3854157; said:
Nitrates (to me) are a relative thing. You see a LOT of people swear up and down that high nitrates kill fish. Then you go and look at real world water quality of places doing well with rays and (I kid you not) you can see levels over 1000ppm.

High nitrates are a result of natural process. Feeding animals means creation of ammonia, broken down into nitrite, then nitrate. Nitrate can build up in the system several ways - the most common being biological debris hainging out in dead spots in your water.


In short, I don't worry about them as much as most will.
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Younglin;5112941; said:
Most ray keepers I know keep there Nitrates at 10 PPM max.
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Where's the human torch when you need him?
 
You have no exPerience w rays so how would you know that 50ppm is terrible for them?
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I said I don't currently own rays. Not that I have no experience with them. And in the end it is a difference of opinion. Nitrates are IMO a big concern. I look at it like air pollution. We breathe it in all the time. In small amounts it doesn't affect us at all but as the concentrations go up the affects become more serious. If a ray is eating and swimming that doesn't mean they are perfectly healthy. They just aren't deathly sick. You can let your nitrate levels go as high as you want, I'm keeping mine as low as possible. I mean, why do you think water changes are necessary? If nitrates weren't harmful no one would do water changes.
 
Younglin;5114784; said:
I said I don't currently own rays. Not that I have no experience with them. And in the end it is a difference of opinion. Nitrates are IMO a big concern. I look at it like air pollution. We breathe it in all the time. In small amounts it doesn't affect us at all but as the concentrations go up the affects become more serious. If a ray is eating and swimming that doesn't mean they are perfectly healthy. They just aren't deathly sick. You can let your nitrate levels go as high as you want, I'm keeping mine as low as possible. I mean, why do you think water changes are necessary? If nitrates weren't harmful no one would do water changes.
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Again, if you have experience, but not currently, with rays, why did you post what you did? There are varying opinions on where to keep nitrates, but you're coming off as if you have or had experience with rays and at first, rays being stunted at nitrate levels of 50ppm. If you have credibility to where nitrates shuold be with us, please let us know. Otherwise, well have to go based upon our own experiences and what zoodiver has stated, as IMO, he is one of the more knowledgeable members and has a lot of experience.
 
creepyoldguy;5114855; said:
Again, if you have experience, but not currently, with rays, why did you post what you did? There are varying opinions on where to keep nitrates, but you're coming off as if you have or had experience with rays and at first, rays being stunted at nitrate levels of 50ppm. If you have credibility to where nitrates shuold be with us, please let us know. Otherwise, well have to go based upon our own experiences and what zoodiver has stated, as IMO, he is one of the more knowledgeable members and has a lot of experience.
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Younglin just got pwned! :headbang2
 
creepyoldguy;5114911; said:
Hahah, I'm not trying to "pwn" him, as you yougnsters would say. You trying to instigate to get me banned or something? :D
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Youngsters?? you are only like 5-6 yrs older than me!

:banhim:
 
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