Received my ATF in mail... need ID please

[SSJ Crit]

So I received my 2 ATF's in the mail claiming to be Goliath's, however one of them does not look like Goliath.. And sadly the other one was Dead on Arrival and is getting replaced by the seller..

The one that died looks more like Goliath to me and the one that live I can't tell can anybody give me their opinions on what species do you think both of these ATF's are?

First picture is the one that lived not sure what species that is..

2nd 3rd and 4th picture is of the one that was Dead on Arrival

 

[SSJ Crit]

The more I look at the 3.0 ID thread this is starting to look like a brevis.. But I'm probably totally wrong LOL..

I'm pretty sure the Dead one is Goliath easy to ID but give me your guys input on what this one is that survived.

 

[Dloks]

Not Goliath maybe Vatf or batf

 

[SSJ Crit]

Not Goliath maybe Vatf or batf

Is there anything that rules it out from being fatf?

 

[krichardson]

I'm no ATF expert but the dead one does not look like a Goliath.It is the only species that I can identify right away.

 

[SSJ Crit]

I'm no ATF expert but the dead one does not look like a Goliath.It is the only species that I can identify right away.

Really? I'm definitely no expert at all but I really thought that look like a Goliath because I've been examining the 3.0 ID page as well as various images on Google what is it that makes you believe it's something else? Can you share some info with me so I can learn?

Also can anybody identify the one I have that still alive what they think it is?

 

[SSJ Crit]

I'm having a hard time locating where the lateral line is on an ATF.. But the more I compare the fatf and the batf it seems like mine looks more like the batf. I'm trying to look at the pre orbital bone it does look a lot like batf

 

[krichardson]

Really? I'm definitely no expert at all but I really thought that look like a Goliath because I've been examining the 3.0 ID page as well as various images on Google what is it that makes you believe it's something else? Can you share some info with me so I can learn?

Sure,in my opinion the goliath has a bulky snout compared to the orher species and it also seems to have bigger tail fins than the others.

 

[SSJ Crit]

Sure,in my opinion the goliath has a bulky snout compared to the orher species and it also seems to have bigger tail fins than the others.

Okay as far as the tail fin goes in the picture it's dead and in a ziplock bag so the tail fin was sort of squished

 

[krichardson]

I'm aware that the dead fish is in some kind of plastic but the tail does not look squished to me.The fin is laid out flat and it's lines are straight.