Red hump head geos???
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FH is a catch all name of line breed CA/SA hybrids, so I don't imply nor is there such a thing called legit FH line. Asians are working on developing new FH or whichever name they will be called by crossing Peacock Bass, Geos and other CA/SA species.
newworld - do you believe in Santa Claus too? 
I honestly thought that your question was a joke, especially coming from you. Apparently not.
Albino heckelli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqgflY6pJyA#t=19
Hump head heckelli
[video=youtube;13FYXVpZp2A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13FYXVpZp2A[/video]
More pics of the hump heads ......
http://goldfishmessage.blogspot.ca/2014/07/blog-post_30.html
http://goldfishmessage.blogspot.ca/2014/10/acarichthys-heckelii-sp.html
To enhance their full beauty click on the pics.
I thought that the Red Dragon Flowerhorn shown in the last set of pics was an especially nice touch to the group photo session.
Both vids and pics from what appears to to be owner of a Chinese fish store.
http://goldfishmessage.blogspot.tw/2013/09/blog-post_5329.html
Keep in mind this is coming from a guy who has no problem with hybrids that are clearly marketed and sold as such, a guy who has kept several FH in the past, and even a few (gasp) midevils. The hybrid issue is a non issue for me.
The issue is when fish that are (in my opinion) hybrids, are marketed as being pure, at least in the sense that part or all of their Latin name is being referenced.
I've been in the hobby for a very long time, and have seen scores of other mutated hybrid cichlids come out of Asia over the years, including numerous OB's, and albinos. All hybrids, some very obvious due to a rush to market, others very clean looking specimens, due to the breeder spending several years working on the line.
I also happen to be personal friends with a large scale breeder in Florida, that at the peak of his fish breeding career maintained 120 ponds (approximately 30,000 gal. each), 1500 concrete vats (250gal.-500gal. each) and 1,000+ 40 gal. fry tanks on 2 five acre farms. This same commercial farmer created a number of man made cichlid variants over the years, as did some of his neighbors, including some albino strains. This same breeder over the years has won numerous awards/trophies for his fish at the yearly Florida Tropical Fish Farms Association competition.
I also understand how when breeding millions upon millions of fish natural mutations within species can take place, and that when these mutations are discovered a breeder can fix some of those traits via line breeding and create a new man made strain of the same species, including albinos.
But this is not my first rodeo with Asian made hybrids, and I view every single mutation out of Asia with suspicion, until proven otherwise to me. In other words, if you want me to believe in Peter Pan you best have some very powerful facts to back your story up. This story has none.
So when what most people would consider to be two very uber rare traits in this particular species of fish show up from the same source, a source based in Asia, the hybrid epicenter of the world, and are released at the same time, my BS meter goes on full alert.
The question shouldn't be how are these hybrids, the question should be how are they not?
I honestly thought that your question was a joke, especially coming from you. Apparently not. Albino heckelli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqgflY6pJyA#t=19
Hump head heckelli
[video=youtube;13FYXVpZp2A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13FYXVpZp2A[/video]
More pics of the hump heads ......
http://goldfishmessage.blogspot.ca/2014/07/blog-post_30.html
http://goldfishmessage.blogspot.ca/2014/10/acarichthys-heckelii-sp.html
To enhance their full beauty click on the pics.
I thought that the Red Dragon Flowerhorn shown in the last set of pics was an especially nice touch to the group photo session.
Both vids and pics from what appears to to be owner of a Chinese fish store.
http://goldfishmessage.blogspot.tw/2013/09/blog-post_5329.html
Keep in mind this is coming from a guy who has no problem with hybrids that are clearly marketed and sold as such, a guy who has kept several FH in the past, and even a few (gasp) midevils. The hybrid issue is a non issue for me.
The issue is when fish that are (in my opinion) hybrids, are marketed as being pure, at least in the sense that part or all of their Latin name is being referenced.
I've been in the hobby for a very long time, and have seen scores of other mutated hybrid cichlids come out of Asia over the years, including numerous OB's, and albinos. All hybrids, some very obvious due to a rush to market, others very clean looking specimens, due to the breeder spending several years working on the line.
I also happen to be personal friends with a large scale breeder in Florida, that at the peak of his fish breeding career maintained 120 ponds (approximately 30,000 gal. each), 1500 concrete vats (250gal.-500gal. each) and 1,000+ 40 gal. fry tanks on 2 five acre farms. This same commercial farmer created a number of man made cichlid variants over the years, as did some of his neighbors, including some albino strains. This same breeder over the years has won numerous awards/trophies for his fish at the yearly Florida Tropical Fish Farms Association competition.
I also understand how when breeding millions upon millions of fish natural mutations within species can take place, and that when these mutations are discovered a breeder can fix some of those traits via line breeding and create a new man made strain of the same species, including albinos.
But this is not my first rodeo with Asian made hybrids, and I view every single mutation out of Asia with suspicion, until proven otherwise to me. In other words, if you want me to believe in Peter Pan you best have some very powerful facts to back your story up. This story has none.
So when what most people would consider to be two very uber rare traits in this particular species of fish show up from the same source, a source based in Asia, the hybrid epicenter of the world, and are released at the same time, my BS meter goes on full alert.
The question shouldn't be how are these hybrids, the question should be how are they not?
And to add to that, the heads on these fish look nothing like the sp. in question. And I'm not referring to the humps.
http://goldfishmessage.blogspot.ca/2014/07/blog-post_30.html
Just more fish to F this hobby up more so than it already is.
FH geos, what a farce.......
http://goldfishmessage.blogspot.ca/2014/07/blog-post_30.html
Just more fish to F this hobby up more so than it already is.
FH geos, what a farce.......
The truth is no one will ever know for sure and that is the frustrating part. As with most strains out of Asia it's a secret. Where did electric blue rams and acaras come from, or super red severums? They will never tell.
These heckelii bother me because they've not just altered the color of the fish, but the actual body shape. It's much like bulldog discus. It's easy to say, "if you don't like them, don't buy them," but now bulldog discus genes have been crossed into so many of the Asian lines that it's almost impossible not to get throwbacks in the fry when you are breeding two Asian discus together. The giant head on these new heckelii is not something I'd want hidden in the gene pool of my normal heckelii.
These heckelii bother me because they've not just altered the color of the fish, but the actual body shape. It's much like bulldog discus. It's easy to say, "if you don't like them, don't buy them," but now bulldog discus genes have been crossed into so many of the Asian lines that it's almost impossible not to get throwbacks in the fry when you are breeding two Asian discus together. The giant head on these new heckelii is not something I'd want hidden in the gene pool of my normal heckelii.
Exactly what part of my previous comments didn't you understand, newworld? You asked "How are these hybrids", and I just explained it to you, from my personal opinion that perhaps involves a different perspective than some members here. That being someone who has seen this exact scenario play out many times in the cichlid world over the past few decades.
http://goldfishmessage.blogspot.ca/2014/07/blog-post_30.html
I've owned heckelii, and seen plenty more kept in aquariums, I've been in this hobby a few odd years now, and never once seen (or heard) of any heckelii that have square heads like those frankenfish. This isn't just about a nuchal hump. If you are somehow suggesting that I must provide some kind of proof, including DNA work from an accredited lab - excuse me while I LOL. But please feel free to do so yourself, I promise not to say I told you so. I don't have to prove anything. You don't agree, fine by me. State your case and move on. I just did.
Happy New Year!
http://goldfishmessage.blogspot.ca/2014/07/blog-post_30.html
I've owned heckelii, and seen plenty more kept in aquariums, I've been in this hobby a few odd years now, and never once seen (or heard) of any heckelii that have square heads like those frankenfish. This isn't just about a nuchal hump. If you are somehow suggesting that I must provide some kind of proof, including DNA work from an accredited lab - excuse me while I LOL. But please feel free to do so yourself, I promise not to say I told you so. I don't have to prove anything. You don't agree, fine by me. State your case and move on. I just did.
Happy New Year!
He answered the question multiple times, maybe your just too stupid to understand that (which would explain your belief in Santa). They are hybrids because of the many times fish such as these have proven to be such. Let's say they are pure heckelii, which there is nothing to prove such, is it really worth the risk of polluting the pure strain? No it isn't.
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