responsible for a store to sell blue ring?

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Then why would you say they aren't venomous and not a danger to people?

You made an assumption based on what other, totally different, species may have happen in captivity. You didn't provide any facts or even anything thought to be true, then you backed it by saying you know biology. I know how to count, doesn't mean I know everything about Calculus.
The venom is tetradotoxin. No known animal is able to produce it themself. All must accumulate it. I told that and fine. If you touch it or not is your decission. If you survive it or not doesn't affect my life, right?
 
well guys its been sold. and it was wild caught i believe. maybe it wont live long enough to kill anyone. judging by the kind of idiots i saw interested in it i cant say it went to an experienced knowledgable fish keeper.
 
According to most of the posters in this thread, it's Darwin at work, right guys, if someone inexperienced gets bitten and dies. Especially if the buyer doesn't know that the octopus is that lethal, provided it lives at all.
 
well guys its been sold. and it was wild caught i believe. maybe it wont live long enough to kill anyone. judging by the kind of idiots i saw interested in it i cant say it went to an experienced knowledgable fish keeper.

Yeah,I doubt if it was captive bred.What was the price of the blue ring?
 
According to most of the posters in this thread, it's Darwin at work, right guys, if someone inexperienced gets bitten and dies. Especially if the buyer doesn't know that the octopus is that lethal, provided it lives at all.
Exactly. If you buy something that exotic you should be oding research first, i mean come on, all you gotta do is ask someone or google it and one of the first things your gonna hear or read is that their bite can be lethal lol. If someone bought an animal that exotic with absolutely no research, it is indeed darwins theory at work....Idiots eliminate themselves. However as i stated it would be prudent of the shopkeeper to warn potential buyers for the purpose of covering his own *** against a potential lawsuit lol.
 
maybe darius can shine a light on what the blue ring needs to keep these toxin producing bacteria available for their venom. what does the home aquaria lack? arnt most blue rings wild caught anyways? since they have short lifespans.

i already said. i would not touch a wild caught blue ring.

your comprehension of the english language perplexes me.

How much languages do you speak? english is my 3 rd foreign language i learn and i do pretty well so far. But thanks for the critics.

I believe anarekis' post about the english language was the fact he asked you a simple question and your answer had nothing to do with the question he had asked, i could be wrong but that is what it seems.

Now you claim that you are a paleogenticist so you should therefore know that when you make assumptions, or a hypothesis, that you should be supplying some sort of evidence that supports your hypothesis. You also made a claim that when someone wants to know biology that they go to you, as you are a paleogenticist, that is a pretty big call to make considering that paleogentics would seem to be a pretty specialised field in the discipline of gentics let alone the overall study of biology, and yes I would call applying genetics to paleontology a specialised field. Expecting us to take your word on the biology of a marine creature is akin to asking a Ornithologist about the biology of a rabbit sure they are going to know the basics but aren't the best to get the information from.
 
Am i really the only one here who has noticed that when someone posts a controvercial question the thread starts out with people debating opinions then almost without fail ends up with people arguing semantics, grammar and language differences rather than discussing the actual topic???:irked:
 
Then why would you say they aren't venomous and not a danger to people?

You made an assumption based on what other, totally different, species may have happen in captivity. You didn't provide any facts or even anything thought to be true, then you backed it by saying you know biology. I know how to count, doesn't mean I know everything about Calculus.

Ass-u-me is spot on.

As he did state the bacteria Vibro is believed to be the venom source however, how the symbiotic relationship works is still a complete unknown.
This reminds me alotta the controversial venom produced by River and Nile Monitors known as toxifera ( I've owned 2 in the past 20 years), it's there but they don't know how. One can only guess it is produced via bacteria growing on Carrion and/or growing on eggs or a combonation of bacterias growing on the 2 combine with saliva. I suspect vibro is produced in a similair unkown fashion however it's a guess/assumption not fact.
In the case of venomous animals it's best not to guess and err on the side of caution.

Back to topic - theres always gonna be controversy surrounding deadly "items" yet we keep them and depend on them daily. Where does one draw the line? On my way to work in June i saw a Box truck with an elavator on the back stop at a red light - apprantly a kid with no helmet on a motorcycle didn't think it was red as he slammed into the back of the truck dismembering his extremites. Bledd out 10 ft in front of me. Should we ban motorcycle sales? There ain't no helmet on the plant that could've saved his life. I say no to censorship and more government law and yes to more education.

Whom ever sells these animals should take it upon themselves to educate and make the moral judgement of sales. A person who has raised pythons for 20 years should NOT be sold a Gabboon Viper. Rather it should be sold to a person with proven working knowledge of venomous snakes and a natural progression in care starting w/milder more readily avaibile anti venoms like Cooperheads and Cotton mouths. Just because they do make anti venom doesn't mean the Zoo nearist to you has it, infact it's probably too far away to at the very least save your arm.
If the educator then makes a "NAH" decission they should piont the person in the correct natural progression to get from piont "A" to the ultimate goal the "Gaboon". In this case point "A" would be harmless easy Octopuss care to care for a less venomous species and so on til' the pre-ownership requirements set by the educator are met.

My 2 cents.
 
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