responsible for a store to sell blue ring?

[OOL51]

They accumulate the bacteria through their food.

How can the mother pass on these bacteria to the young if they are accumulated by the food? If the animal is able to produce this type of poison what food is it eating to accumulate it? What food is there that both marine and land based animals eat that enables them to accumulate this poison? Your statement does not make sense, also I have not seen one article say it is accumulated through it's food, you seem to be the only one that thinks this so please explain a bit better how you have come to this conclusion.

All other named animals, like puffer fish or cone snails lose their venomous potencial over several weeks or months in captivity. If the blue ringed octopus is different in that aspect, then i apology. But so far i see no informations indicating that.

I haven't seen any infomation that they do lose their venom incaptivity

So far you ask me, how i as paleogeneticist can be interested in the venom production? Some Maniraptora used the very same methods to create posion.

I believe the only thing asked in this thread is to please elaborate on why you think your statements are correct with some sort of evidence to show why you believe what you do. I had stated that I do not understand how that being a paleogenticist gives you a major insight to what would be considered marine biology not why you have an interest in it.

 

[ShadowStryder]

Blah Blah Blah, people should have the freedom to choose what and how to live their lives. There is always critics who want to tell others how to live it and put restraints on others. Move on and let others live their lives how they choose. If someone keeps a deadly animal and it kills them, it was their life to lose not yours. As long as they were informed of the dangers.

 

[Bottomfeeder]

A 7" wide Octopus can probably fit through a straw. So no.

 

[Bottomfeeder]

Blah Blah Blah, people should have the freedom to choose what and how to live their lives. There is always critics who want to tell others how to live it and put restraints on others. Move on and let others live their lives how they choose. If someone keeps a deadly animal and it kills them, it was their life to lose not yours. As long as they were informed of the dangers.

But what if it kills someone other than the owner? Or what if politicians use the death of the owner as leverage to ban other animals?

 

[Bottomfeeder]

They accumulate the bacteria through their food. All other named animals, like puffer fish or cone snails lose their venomous potencial over several weeks or months in captivity. If the blue ringed octopus is different in that aspect, then i apology. But so far i see no informations indicating that.

So far you ask me, how i as paleogeneticist can be interested in the venom production? Some Maniraptora used the very same methods to create posion.

Dude, wtf? Venom and bacteria load are 2 TOTALLY different things

 

[krichardson]

I've never heard of one selling for that price; that's less than half the typical prices that I've come across before (which is somewhat concerning). It's one thing if it's $150, but it's another if it's $60; most people get scared off by a fish or invertebrate that's over $100, so the higher price helps to prevent someone buying it on an impulse.)

That's about how much I paid for mine when I got it over ten years ago.I also might as well add that I worked at the store and they actually ordered another species but the blue ring came in instead.The owner said that he would never order them due to the risks involved....I have seen them for sale for well under one hundred dollars online over the years.

 

[Kevin8888]

Dude, wtf? Venom and bacteria load are 2 TOTALLY different things

Actually, hes right (at least in part I don't know enough about them to know if they do become safe over time), and I'm kinda sick of everyone still talking about it, the Venom in the blue ring is produced by a Bacteria found in their saliva. So stop attacking the guy, he knows what hes talking about even if you cant understand his english.

Though I personally find it hard to believe that they accumulate the bacteria over time, or that they gain it via consumption (but I don't know much on the subject). As human beings are born with a number of bacteria in our digestive tracks, and they are passed to us by our mothers. I personally (with no research to support this) would think that once the bacteria is in their system, it's to late, and it will stay there forever.

Suffice to say, it's not for us to say who can keep what animals, poisonous or not, as someone else said, it's up to the buyer to decide if its worth the risk. Though I have to agree about pricing... I really don't think it should be under 200$... I can't buy safe ocotos for under that... so why should I be able to buy a deadly one for less? Asking for someone ignorant to buy it...

 

[krichardson]

Suffice to say, it's not for us to say who can keep what animals, poisonous or not, as someone else said, it's up to the buyer to decide if its worth the risk. Though I have to agree about pricing... I really don't think it should be under 200$... I can't buy safe ocotos for under that... so why should I be able to buy a deadly one for less? Asking for someone ignorant to buy it...

Safe octos,how much do they cost in your area?..Most places here that carry any kind of octopus usually will charge anywhere from $40 to $100 dollars although those are the more common types.The more rare and exotic types cost more when they can be brought in.I agree that the blue ring should not be regularly available for purchase.I think it should be strictly special order only and to proven experienced aquarists.

 

[ShadowStryder]

But what if it kills someone other than the owner? Or what if politicians use the death of the owner as leverage to ban other animals?

As long as the prospective owner knows the potential dangers, it is their Choice and don't let anyone other than the owner reach into the system. Install a locked canopy. I keep stingrays, if one stings me then I knew the potential was there. If I am allergic to that sting it could kill me. I know all this, its a choice made by each individual. I won't even go into the politicians and lobbyist against keeping prospective pets/animals as they all have agendas other than whats best for the individual Americans.
I am not into salt but have always had the desire that if I got into it that is one species that would be of much interest.

 

[Kevin8888]

Safe octos,how much do they cost in your area?..Most places here that carry any kind of octopus usually will charge anywhere from $40 to $100 dollars although those are the more common types.The more rare and exotic types cost more when they can be brought in.I agree that the blue ring should not be regularly available for purchase.I think it should be strictly special order only and to proven experienced aquarists.

Most octos I've seen available around here are minimum 150$ and as high as 400$ if I could get them for around 60$ I would probably buy them, as ocotos are an amazing animal.

Now back to the accidental death junk... how is it any different then owning a gun? or even a knife? or a car? All those can kill people if mishandled... it's all about awareness. If I owned a Blue ring, I would have a locked lid that litterally couldn't be opened without a key, that way it would be a safe to own as anything else dangerous. If you have things like this in your home, don't have parties with drunken idiots... anyone you invite over be very clear in explaining that they WILL die if they get bitten by it (the bites can be painless). Again all about awareness, if you keep everyone informed the risks are no more then the risks of owning anything else dangerous, be that a car, knife, gun etc.