Russian / Serbain mil Folk Music

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Death Pony;2451613; said:
I took a class last year on music and politics. Serbian folk music was a big part of it, since our professor was from Serbia.

Interesting.. what key aspects where brought up? Really interested on this. Really Serbian and slavic folk is rather looked over and not really paid attention to it is interesting you had a professor that spent some time with it.
 
Polypterus;2451667; said:
Umm...yes...That should be obvious.


Neyt, people from N. America tend to think all non english speaking languages are similar. People don't realize the cultural diversity.

Take for instance, Belarus and Russia. Both speak the same language, but the culture is vastly different. I had the great luxury of being partially brought up in Russia, I speak it, and am often offended when people group all us Europeans together.
 
Here is a rough translation (my russian is not so good these days)... at least from what i could make of it. I think it is a song for rememberance. In this case "davai za ..." probably means "let's toast/salute for" (during drinking i believe)

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The sky is covered with grey thunder clouds,
Nerves are taunt like guitar strings
The rain is drumming from morning until evening
Time seems to be frozen forever

We are advancing in all directions
Tanks, infantry, artillery fire
We are being killed but we are surviving
And we once again throw ourselves into the attack

Let’s <something>, let’s until the end, my brother
Let’s for those that were with us then
Let’s <something> curse the war
But I <something something> was with us

Sky above us with lead thunder clouds
Covering the bottom with ragged fog (I hear what he says, but I can’t make sense of it)
Want to believe that all is over
If only the wounded comrade will survive

Hang on, my brother, don’t die yet
You will live long and happy yet
We will dance at your wedding
You will <something something>

Hang on to your life until the end, brother
Let’s for those that are waiting at home for you
Let’s <something> curse the war


Let’s for them, let’s for us
And for Siberia and Caucasus
For distant lighted small city
And for friends and for love

Let’s for you, let’s for us
And for <something> and for <something>
For military medals
And for <something> let’s raise <something>

In the old album I found a photograph
<too difficult to hear … something about red army commander>
Smell of grass at dawn …
 
big dovii;2451687; said:
Neyt, people from N. America tend to think all non english speaking languages are similar. People don't realize the cultural diversity.

Take for instance, Belarus and Russia. Both speak the same language, but the culture is vastly different. I had the great luxury of being partially brought up in Russia, I speak it, and am often offended when people group all us Europeans together.

I am sure a guy from Belorus would disagree. Their language IS different from Russian. Simialr perhaps, same definitely no. Most older Belorussians can speak russian (for obvious reasons)
 
ctoychik;2451730; said:
Here is a rough translation (my russian is not so good these days)... at least from what i could make of it. I think it is a song for rememberance. In this case "davai za ..." probably means "let's toast/salute for" (during drinking i believe)

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Let&#8217;s <something> curse the war

"Let us toast to life, curse the war!"
 
ctoychik;2451730; said:
Here is a rough translation (my russian is not so good these days)... at least from what i could make of it. I think it is a song for rememberance. In this case "davai za ..." probably means "let's toast/salute for" (during drinking i believe)

---------------------------------------------------

The sky is covered with grey thunder clouds,
Nerves are taunt like guitar strings
The rain is drumming from morning until evening
Time seems to be frozen forever

We are advancing in all directions
Tanks, infantry, artillery fire
We are being killed but we are surviving
And we once again throw ourselves into the attack

Let’s <something>, let’s until the end, my brother
Let’s for those that were with us then
Let’s <something> curse the war
But I <something something> was with us

Sky above us with lead thunder clouds
Covering the bottom with ragged fog (I hear what he says, but I can’t make sense of it)
Want to believe that all is over
If only the wounded comrade will survive

Hang on, my brother, don’t die yet
You will live long and happy yet
We will dance at your wedding
You will <something something>

Hang on to your life until the end, brother
Let’s for those that are waiting at home for you
Let’s <something> curse the war


Let’s for them, let’s for us
And for Siberia and Caucasus
For distant lighted small city
And for friends and for love

Let’s for you, let’s for us
And for <something> and for <something>
For military medals
And for <something> let’s raise <something>

In the old album I found a photograph
<too difficult to hear … something about red army commander>
Smell of grass at dawn …

Your very close on much of it
&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;a​
can mean a few things, A toast to, Give to, or Come to.
It is what it is....
Here is the literal translation, Some words are rough to translate to english and do not really have an english equivalent. Like Davai ja.....
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War and found and found found found at

&#1042;&#1086;&#1081;&#1085;&#1072; &#1080; &#1085;&#1072; &#1080; &#1085;&#1072;&#1081; &#1085;&#1072;&#1081; &#1085;&#1072;&#1081; &#1085;&#1072;&#1081; &#1085;&#1072;​
War and found and found found found at
&#1042;&#1086;&#1081;&#1085;&#1072; &#1080; &#1085;&#1072; &#1080; &#1085;&#1072;&#1081; &#1085;&#1072;&#1081; &#1085;&#1072;&#1081; &#1085;&#1072;&#1081; &#1085;&#1072;​
War and found and found found found at

&#1057;&#1077;&#1088;&#1099;&#1084;&#1080; &#1090;&#1091;&#1095;&#1072;&#1084;&#1080; &#1085;&#1077;&#1073;&#1086; &#1079;&#1072;&#1090;&#1103;&#1085;&#1091;&#1090;&#1086;,​
Gray overcast sky prolonged,
&#1053;&#1077;&#1088;&#1074;&#1099; &#1075;&#1080;&#1090;&#1072;&#1088;&#1085;&#1086;&#1081; &#1089;&#1090;&#1088;&#1091;&#1085;&#1086;&#1102; &#1086;&#1090;&#1090;&#1103;&#1085;&#1091;&#1090;&#1099;,​
Nerves guitar strunoyu delay,
&#1044;&#1086;&#1078;&#1076;&#1100; &#1073;&#1072;&#1088;&#1072;&#1073;&#1072;&#1085;&#1080;&#1090; &#1089; &#1091;&#1090;&#1088;&#1072; &#1080; &#1076;&#1086; &#1074;&#1077;&#1095;&#1077;&#1088;&#1072;,​
Regen drum morning till evening,
&#1042;&#1088;&#1077;&#1084;&#1103; &#1079;&#1072;&#1089;&#1090;&#1099;&#1074;&#1096;&#1077;&#1077; &#1082;&#1072;&#1078;&#1077;&#1090;&#1089;&#1103; &#1074;&#1077;&#1095;&#1085;&#1086;&#1089;&#1090;&#1100;&#1102;.​
Time seems frozen eternity.

&#1052;&#1099; &#1085;&#1072;&#1089;&#1090;&#1091;&#1087;&#1072;&#1077;&#1084; &#1087;&#1086; &#1074;&#1089;&#1077;&#1084; &#1085;&#1072;&#1087;&#1088;&#1072;&#1074;&#1083;&#1077;&#1085;&#1080;&#1103;&#1084;​
We shall in all directions
&#1058;&#1072;&#1085;&#1082;&#1080;, &#1087;&#1077;&#1093;&#1086;&#1090;&#1072;, &#1086;&#1075;&#1086;&#1085;&#1100; &#1072;&#1088;&#1090;&#1080;&#1083;&#1083;&#1077;&#1088;&#1080;&#1080;​
Tanks, infantry, artillery fire
&#1053;&#1072;&#1089; &#1091;&#1073;&#1080;&#1074;&#1072;&#1102;&#1090;, &#1085;&#1086; &#1084;&#1099; &#1074;&#1099;&#1078;&#1080;&#1074;&#1072;&#1077;&#1084;​
We kill, but we survive
&#1048; &#1089;&#1085;&#1086;&#1074;&#1072; &#1074; &#1072;&#1090;&#1072;&#1082;&#1091;, &#1089;&#1077;&#1073;&#1103; &#1084;&#1099; &#1073;&#1088;&#1086;&#1089;&#1072;&#1077;&#1084;​
And again in the attack itself, we brosaem

&#1055;&#1088;&#1080;&#1087;&#1077;&#1074;:​
Chorus:
&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1078;&#1080;&#1079;&#1085;&#1100;, &#1076;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1073;&#1088;&#1072;&#1090; &#1076;&#1086; &#1082;&#1086;&#1085;&#1094;&#1072;​
Come to life, let's brother until the end
&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1090;&#1077;&#1093;, &#1082;&#1090;&#1086; &#1089; &#1085;&#1072;&#1084;&#1080; &#1073;&#1099;&#1083; &#1090;&#1086;&#1075;&#1076;&#1072;​
Let those who were with us then
&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1078;&#1080;&#1079;&#1085;&#1100;, &#1073;&#1091;&#1076;&#1100; &#1087;&#1088;&#1086;&#1082;&#1083;&#1103;&#1090;&#1072; &#1074;&#1086;&#1081;&#1085;&#1072;​
Come for life, be cursed war
&#1055;&#1086;&#1084;&#1103;&#1085;&#1077;&#1084; &#1090;&#1077;&#1093;, &#1082;&#1090;&#1086; &#1089; &#1085;&#1072;&#1084;&#1080; &#1073;&#1099;&#1083; &#1090;&#1086;&#1075;&#1076;&#1072;​
Pomyanem those who were with us then

&#1053;&#1077;&#1073;&#1086; &#1085;&#1072;&#1076; &#1085;&#1072;&#1084;&#1080; - &#1089;&#1074;&#1080;&#1085;&#1094;&#1086;&#1074;&#1099;&#1084;&#1080; &#1090;&#1091;&#1095;&#1072;&#1084;&#1080;,​
The sky above us - leaden clouds,
&#1057;&#1090;&#1077;&#1083;&#1080;&#1090;&#1089;&#1103; &#1085;&#1080;&#1079;&#1082;&#1086; &#1090;&#1091;&#1084;&#1072;&#1085;&#1072;&#1084;&#1080; &#1088;&#1074;&#1072;&#1085;&#1099;&#1084;&#1080;,​
Trail low mists ragged,
&#1061;&#1086;&#1095;&#1077;&#1090;&#1089;&#1103; &#1074;&#1077;&#1088;&#1080;&#1090;&#1100;, &#1095;&#1090;&#1086; &#1074;&#1089;&#1077; &#1091;&#1078;&#1077; &#1082;&#1086;&#1085;&#1095;&#1080;&#1083;&#1086;&#1089;&#1100;​
I want to believe that everything is already over
&#1058;&#1086;&#1083;&#1100;&#1082;&#1086; &#1073;&#1099; &#1074;&#1099;&#1078;&#1080;&#1083; &#1090;&#1086;&#1074;&#1072;&#1088;&#1080;&#1097; &#1088;&#1072;&#1085;&#1077;&#1085;&#1099;&#1081;​
Just to survive a wounded comrade

&#1058;&#1099; &#1087;&#1086;&#1090;&#1077;&#1088;&#1087;&#1080;, &#1073;&#1088;&#1072;&#1090;&#1086;&#1082;, &#1085;&#1077; &#1091;&#1084;&#1080;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081; &#1087;&#1086;&#1082;&#1072;​
You tolerate, (Hang on) bratok (Brother) not died yet
&#1041;&#1091;&#1076;&#1077;&#1096;&#1100; &#1090;&#1099; &#1078;&#1080;&#1090;&#1100; &#1077;&#1097;&#1077; &#1076;&#1086;&#1083;&#1075;&#1086; &#1080; &#1089;&#1095;&#1072;&#1089;&#1090;&#1083;&#1080;&#1074;&#1086;​
Thou shalt live long and happy
&#1041;&#1091;&#1076;&#1077;&#1084; &#1085;&#1072; &#1089;&#1074;&#1072;&#1076;&#1100;&#1073;&#1077; &#1090;&#1074;&#1086;&#1077;&#1081; &#1084;&#1099; &#1086;&#1090;&#1087;&#1083;&#1103;&#1089;&#1099;&#1074;&#1072;&#1090;&#1100;​
We will be at your wedding, we otplyasyvat (Servicemen)
&#1041;&#1091;&#1076;&#1077;&#1096;&#1100; &#1090;&#1099; &#1074; &#1085;&#1077;&#1073;&#1086; &#1076;&#1077;&#1090;&#1080;&#1096;&#1077;&#1082; &#1087;&#1086;&#1076;&#1073;&#1088;&#1072;&#1089;&#1099;&#1074;&#1072;&#1090;&#1100;​
Shalt thou in heaven kids toss

&#1055;&#1088;&#1080;&#1087;&#1077;&#1074;:​
Chorus:
&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1078;&#1080;&#1079;&#1085;&#1100;, &#1076;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1073;&#1088;&#1072;&#1090; &#1076;&#1086; &#1082;&#1086;&#1085;&#1094;&#1072;​
Come to life, let's brother until the end
&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1090;&#1077;&#1093;, &#1082;&#1090;&#1086; &#1076;&#1086;&#1084;&#1072; &#1078;&#1076;&#1077;&#1090; &#1090;&#1077;&#1073;&#1103;​
Come for those at home waiting for you
&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1078;&#1080;&#1079;&#1085;&#1100;, &#1073;&#1091;&#1076;&#1100; &#1087;&#1088;&#1086;&#1082;&#1083;&#1103;&#1090;&#1072; &#1074;&#1086;&#1081;&#1085;&#1072;​
Come for life, be cursed war
&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1090;&#1077;&#1093;, &#1082;&#1090;&#1086; &#1076;&#1086;&#1084;&#1072; &#1078;&#1076;&#1077;&#1090; &#1090;&#1077;&#1073;&#1103;​
Come for those at home waiting for you

&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1085;&#1080;&#1093;, &#1076;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1085;&#1072;&#1089;​
Go for it, come for us
&#1048; &#1079;&#1072; &#1057;&#1080;&#1073;&#1080;&#1088;&#1100;, &#1080; &#1079;&#1072; &#1050;&#1072;&#1074;&#1082;&#1072;&#1079;​
And in Siberia and the Caucasus
&#1047;&#1072; &#1089;&#1074;&#1077;&#1090; &#1076;&#1072;&#1083;&#1077;&#1082;&#1080;&#1093; &#1075;&#1086;&#1088;&#1086;&#1076;&#1086;&#1074;​
In the light of distant cities
&#1048; &#1079;&#1072; &#1076;&#1088;&#1091;&#1079;&#1077;&#1081;, &#1080; &#1079;&#1072; &#1083;&#1102;&#1073;&#1086;&#1074;&#1100;​
And for friends and for love

&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1074;&#1072;&#1089;, &#1076;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1085;&#1072;&#1089;,​
Let's for you, come for us
&#1048; &#1079;&#1072; &#1044;&#1077;&#1089;&#1072;&#1085;&#1090;, &#1080; &#1079;&#1072; &#1057;&#1087;&#1077;&#1094;&#1085;&#1072;&#1079;,​
And Desant (Paras), and the Spetsnaz,
&#1047;&#1072; &#1073;&#1086;&#1077;&#1074;&#1099;&#1077; &#1086;&#1088;&#1076;&#1077;&#1085;&#1072;,​
During the battle orders,
&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1087;&#1086;&#1076;&#1085;&#1080;&#1084;&#1080;&#1084;, &#1089;&#1090;&#1072;&#1088;&#1080;&#1085;&#1072;.​
Let's raise, old chap.

&#1042; &#1089;&#1090;&#1072;&#1088;&#1086;&#1084; &#1072;&#1083;&#1100;&#1073;&#1086;&#1084;&#1077;, &#1085;&#1072;&#1096;&#1077;&#1083; &#1092;&#1086;&#1090;&#1086;&#1075;&#1088;&#1072;&#1092;&#1080;&#1102;​
In an old album, found the photo
&#1044;&#1077;&#1076;&#1072;, &#1086;&#1085; &#1073;&#1099;&#1083; &#1082;&#1086;&#1084;&#1072;&#1085;&#1076;&#1080;&#1088; &#1082;&#1088;&#1072;&#1089;&#1085;&#1086;&#1081; &#1072;&#1088;&#1084;&#1080;&#1080;:​
Father, he was commander of the Red Army:
«&#1057;&#1099;&#1085;&#1091; &#1085;&#1072; &#1087;&#1072;&#1084;&#1103;&#1090;&#1100;, &#1041;&#1077;&#1088;&#1083;&#1080;&#1085; 45-&#1075;&#1086;»,​
«Son, memory, Berlin 45 th»,
&#1042;&#1077;&#1082;&#1072; &#1091;&#1096;&#1077;&#1076;&#1096;&#1077;&#1075;&#1086; &#1074;&#1086;&#1089;&#1087;&#1086;&#1084;&#1080;&#1085;&#1072;&#1085;&#1080;&#1103;,​
Ages past memories,

&#1047;&#1072;&#1087;&#1072;&#1093; &#1090;&#1088;&#1072;&#1074;&#1099; &#1085;&#1072; &#1088;&#1072;&#1089;&#1089;&#1074;&#1077;&#1090;&#1077;, &#1085;&#1077; &#1089;&#1082;&#1086;&#1096;&#1077;&#1085;&#1085;&#1086;&#1081;,​
The smell of grass at dawn, do not chamfer,
&#1057;&#1090;&#1086;&#1085;&#1099; &#1079;&#1077;&#1084;&#1083;&#1080; &#1086;&#1090; &#1073;&#1086;&#1084;&#1077;&#1078;&#1077;&#1082;, &#1088;&#1072;&#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1093;&#1072;&#1085;&#1085;&#1086;&#1081;,​
Ston land from bomezhek, broke,
&#1055;&#1072;&#1088;&#1072; &#1089;&#1086;&#1083;&#1076;&#1072;&#1090;&#1089;&#1082;&#1080;&#1093; &#1073;&#1086;&#1090;&#1080;&#1085;&#1086;&#1082;, &#1080;&#1089;&#1090;&#1086;&#1087;&#1090;&#1072;&#1085;&#1085;&#1099;&#1093;,​
A pair of Soldiers' boots, istoptannyh,
&#1042;&#1086;&#1081;&#1085;&#1072;&#1084;&#1080; &#1085;&#1086;&#1074;&#1099;&#1084;&#1080;, &#1074;&#1086;&#1081;&#1085;&#1072;&#1084;&#1080; &#1089;&#1090;&#1072;&#1088;&#1099;&#1084;&#1080;.​
New wars, wars of old.

&#1055;&#1088;&#1080;&#1087;&#1077;&#1074;:​
Chorus:
&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1078;&#1080;&#1079;&#1085;&#1100;...​
Come to life ...
&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1090;&#1077;&#1093;...​
Come for those ...
&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1079;&#1072; &#1078;&#1080;&#1079;&#1085;&#1100;...​
Come to life ...
&#1044;&#1072;&#1074;&#1072;&#1081; &#1087;&#1086;&#1084;&#1103;&#1085;&#1077;&#1084; &#1090;&#1077;&#1093;, &#1082;&#1090;&#1086; &#1089; &#1085;&#1072;&#1084;&#1080; &#1073;&#1099;&#1083;...​
Come pomyanem those who have been with us ...
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There are other versions of the song as well And Lube seems to change it here and there when they
Preform it live.
 
big dovii;2451687; said:
Neyt, people from N. America tend to think all non english speaking languages are similar. People don't realize the cultural diversity.

Take for instance, Belarus and Russia. Both speak the same language, but the culture is vastly different. I had the great luxury of being partially brought up in Russia, I speak it, and am often offended when people group all us Europeans together.

Yes I agree, which is why I'm outspoken about being Serb.. I'm not a Yugoslav Nor do I care to be one and I'm not Russian or Bulgarian Etc.. just because we share a Cyrillic alphabet. Hell I'm not European.... I'm a Serb....
 
Polypterus;2451670; said:
Interesting.. what key aspects where brought up? Really interested on this. Really Serbian and slavic folk is rather looked over and not really paid attention to it is interesting you had a professor that spent some time with it.

We covered the patriotism of a lot of the earlier folk music before Melosavic took power. I like the music, but the turbo-folk was really weird. I like the Serbian rock band Dja Ili Bu, especially the song Alaska, good meaning behind that song.
 
Crazy! Who knows Serbs were on here. I'm 100%...my dad is from Versac and my mom, Kraljevo.
 
that's actually a really nice song. I'm glad I stumbled across this thread.
 
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