Sani-Tred coatings for DIY tanks...

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can pond shield go straight on concrete block with no other priming? Maybe I shoulda went pond shield.... errrr. oops... :irked:

So pond shield woulda cost me $280 instead of the $500 on sanitred? Of course, the sanitred has the thick LRB/TAV mixture for sealing glass etc, which I wuld've had to do with silicone. Oh well.
 
i think there are more than one good method.........pond shield recommend concrete be washed off with pool acid and the applied directly. block use more material than asmooth surface needs........



wizzin;665598; said:
can pond shield go straight on concrete block with no other priming? Maybe I shoulda went pond shield.... errrr. oops... :irked:
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Yes Pond Shield is a stand alone product. After acid washing the concrete with muriatic acid/water, you wait until it dries and apply Pond Shield directly to the concrete. This saves you the time and hassle of primers or pre-sealers. As far as the sealer one would use to seal an acrylic window in, JohnPTC did it perfectly. Pond Shield as the base material and then the actual flexible sealer between the coating and the acrylic. I'm sure JohnPTC did, and I would recommend always scuffing the cured Pond Shield before the flexible sealer for the window is applied. The more tooth you have the better those sealers hold.

JohnPTC - I saw your link to your tank. Very impressive. I didn't want to post in your thread so as to keep it as pure as possible. Your thread is about your constructiuon and I find that once I post into a thread, people start asking questions thereby diluting the thread. So this thread seemed the most logical place. FYI, I have an installer in Hawaii that did a pond with a couple of acrylic windows like your tank has. He used a very similar method for installation and his client couldn't be happier.

Butch
Pond Armor
www.pondarmor.com
800-716-1545
 
butch. thanks and you are more than welcome to use pics of the tank if it helps...you have my shipping address in wla.....stop by if you are near.

john


ps on the acrylic side I also scuffed the acrylic and used the dow corning primer for the silicon !!!




PondArmor;665670; said:
Yes Pond Shield is a stand alone product. After acid washing the concrete with muriatic acid/water, you wait until it dries and apply Pond Shield directly to the concrete. This saves you the time and hassle of primers or pre-sealers. As far as the sealer one would use to seal an acrylic window in, JohnPTC did it perfectly. Pond Shield as the base material and then the actual flexible sealer between the coating and the acrylic. I'm sure JohnPTC did, and I would recommend always scuffing the cured Pond Shield before the flexible sealer for the window is applied. The more tooth you have the better those sealers hold.

JohnPTC - I saw your link to your tank. Very impressive. I didn't want to post in your thread so as to keep it as pure as possible. Your thread is about your constructiuon and I find that once I post into a thread, people start asking questions thereby diluting the thread. So this thread seemed the most logical place. FYI, I have an installer in Hawaii that did a pond with a couple of acrylic windows like your tank has. He used a very similar method for installation and his client couldn't be happier.

Butch
Pond Armor
www.pondarmor.com
800-716-1545
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Is Pond Shield superior to Sanitred for coating plywood/acrylic aquariums or is this an apples to oranges compairison?
 
Jovial;666265; said:
Is Pond Shield superior to Sanitred for coating plywood/acrylic aquariums or is this an apples to oranges compairison?
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I'm curious of it's effectiveness on plywood also. If it can be used, is the flexing that occurs in plywood damaging to Pond shield?
 
MilitantPotato;666363; said:
I'm curious of it's effectiveness on plywood also. If it can be used, is the flexing that occurs in plywood damaging to Pond shield?
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That and whether it is toxic before cured...How high do you get without a respirator?
Or better yet how bout starting his own thread about his product...
 
PondArmor;665560; said:
Hi, I am from Pond Armor and I would like to clarify a few things in regards to the quoted post above. No offense Dr. Joe, but a lot of what you said was either incorrect or spoken out of context in regards to what Pond Shield is, does or is capable of doing. I'd like to just fix that, if I may.

First, Pond Shield is not like West Systems epoxy. It is very different even at its core. Fir instance, Pond Shield is a non toxic epoxy and is even tested in its mixed uncured state to be sure. This means if anyone with too much zeal decides to fill their pond or tank up prior to the coating curing properly, their fish and plants will still be safe. After Pond Shield has cured, it will NOT leech off anything into your water. Some epoxies will do this and some of that material can be toxic too. Pond Shield is not. Your statement says Pond Shield is thinner like West Systems. This is just not true. Our black Pond Shield is 45,000 cps in viscosity. It happens to be the thickest we manufacture where the clear pond Shield is 15,000 cps. A lot more viscous that West Systems epoxy.

You also say that with Pond Shield very small holes or anything over a small hairline crack has to be specially treated. Again, not so. When Pond Shield is squeegeed on the surface area, it is like thousands of tiny fingers that grab hold. With a tensile bond strength that literally exceeds the internal strength of concrete, one would not have to worry about delaminating problems that latexes or rubbers can go through. In fact Pond Shield can easily bridge gaps 1/4 inch wide and with larger cracks, Pond Shield can be used to stitch the concrete back together. For instance, a larger crack can be V'd out and cleaned. Pond Shield can be then applied to the crack and it will serve as a stitch. The elongation break strength is rated at 9,500 psi. Most hairline cracks form at below 6,000 psi which means Pond Shield is designed to not mimic the formation of new hairline cracks.

You mention that Pond Shield can blush but offered no reason as to why this happens. Allow me to clarify. A blush is caused when moisture is allowed to settle of an uncured coating. The chemical change that takes place during this process will not harm the coating but instead, discolor it. A blush can easily be fixed and those steps to fix it can be found on our web site. The best way to deal with a blush though, is to avoid it by following the instructions you get with your Pond Shield. It's that simple. From my experience, the only time I ever hear about blushes, is when someone applied Pond Shield as the temperature was dropping and the dew point was rising. This usually happens later in the evening. Covering up your project is a simple but effective way of avoiding this.

Corners and joints need to be reinforced with fiberglass tape ONLY in certain circumstances. These circumstances are when the joint in the structure YOU provide is weak and prone to additional shifting because of poor structural integrity. For instance, the use of wood in a tank or pond is fine but if your corner joints are just screwed together without additional support, they may be weak. Also, if in the use of concrete you intend to utilize an existing piece of concrete along with newly poured concrete, that cold joint will be prone to movement. Each of these needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis.

Pond Shield can be flexed and can withstand a certain amount of flex all the way down to -78 degrees. (perfect for the changes that can take place during freeze/thaw cycles) What you have to remember is that unlike rubbers or latexes, epoxies are designed for strength. Therefore, if your construction is sounds and the integrity is strong, your Pond Shield coating will reflect that. However if you have a structure that wiggles around all of the time you'll always have issues. Don't be fooled for a minute thinking that a completely flexible material will not eventually fail under the stresses of constant movement.

Yes sir! Forrest green will definitely hide algae a lot better :) You may have used other company's products, but I assure you until you have tried Pond Shield, you have not used anything like it.

If any of you guys have specific questions about our products, please let me know. Dr. Joe, again, please take no offense to my reply to you. I just like to make sure that when things are posted about our product, that they are accurate.

Thanks for listening.
Butch
Pond Armor
www.pondarmor.com
800-716-1545
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Hi Butch and :welcome: to MonsterFishKeepers.

First question is ...what is your area of expertise at Pond Armor? Just want to know who we are talking to.

I take no offense and I am glad you chimed in actually.

Rather than categorically refute my claims (:j/k: always wanted to use that phrase). The information I posted was gleaned from your web site and was not intended to scare anyone away from your product but to have them read your web site. And I do suggest they read it before asking alot of questions.

We are always looking for the ultimate product to seal our DIY tanks and ponds forever and a day :D .

How about posting in our http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=165 section that way our other members can be referenced to it, I see this thread getting messy fast.

Again, Welcome and Thank You for your response.

Dr Joe
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