lol, Hey Lyder I think there are alot of people out there that think I have a secret stash of rays. I really wish there was more of these around Canada as they are a very nice managable ray like aquaman said and they are one of the best options for small tank owners to be able to keep rays. I really don't know of another Canadian on the boards that has any so I could switch some pups. Hopefully this thread will stir up some action for some guys to import some from oversees. My male is around 7" and my female is around 10-11". I'll follow up with some parent pics when I get some time to clean up the glass.