Seachem Matrix claims to reduce nitrates

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Has anyone used this product and seen a decline in nitrates. Seachem says that it will support anaeorbic bacteria that will consume nitrates. I added some to my 120g and the 150g I just set up, but I don't plan on reducing water changes any.

The following is Seachem link;

http://www.seachem.com/products/product_pages/Matrix.html

This is from there Q&A page;

Matrix™ Support
Q: I’m using Matrix™, but my nitrates are not coming down, it’s been at the same level for awhile now, what’s wrong?
A: Nothing’s wrong. The product is working just as it should. The removal of nitrates essentially comes down to one parameter: rate. The rate at which your tank is producing nitrates and the rate at which it can remove them. If you fill a bathtub with the spigot wide open and try to keep it from overflowing by draining it out of a straw, it won’t be long until it overflows. However, if you drain it at the same rate it fills, the level will always stay the same. Or, if it nearly fills up and then you drain it at a rate faster than it is filling, the level will drop. The same applies to nitrate removal. To lower nitrates you must equip your tank with the capacity to remove them at a rate greater than or equal to the rate of formation. So, if your nitrates are holding steady and you want them to come down, increase the amount of Matrix™you are using or use de*Nitrate™in addition to the Matrix™(de*Nitrate™will more efficiently remove nitrates per volume of product assuming a flow rate of not more than ~50 gallons/hour). If you need to use a higher flow rate, than stick with Matrix™or try Pond Matrix™, both of which support anaerobic denitrification at higher flow rates.

Q: If I’m using Matrix™do I need to use de*nitrate™as well?
A: That depends on a number of things. If Matrix™is doing the job for you (i.e. keeping nitrite/nitrate under control) then, no. If you’re running a flow rate higher than 50 gallons/hour, then you won’t be able to use de*nitrate™anyway since it requires a flow rate slower than that to support the denitrifying bacteria. If filter size and capacity are an issue, then de*nitrate™will provide a more efficient removal of nitrate per volume of product (i.e. you can use less de*nitrate™by volume than Matrix™to get the same denitrifying capacity). Also, de*nitrate™has the capacity to remove nitrates by chemical absorption on initial use of the product, although if nitrate levels are very high (above 20 mg/L) we recommend a water change as the most economical approach to getting your nitrate level down before putting these products into service.

Q: How long does it take for Matrix to grow the necessary anaerobic bacteria to remove nitrate?
A: This all depends on the stage of biological establishment of your tank, placement of Matrix and flow rate. Generally you will start to see improvement in a couple of weeks but every situation varies.

Q: If I buy a small hang-on-tank filter, and fill it solely with Matrix,will that be effective? What is the best type of filter to put Matrix in?
A: It will work but not nearly as well, a canister filter is recommended.

Q: Will using Matrix affect the PH of the water?
A: No, It is an inert media that will not directly impact your pH.

Q: Is it theoretically possible to achieve near-zero nitrate levels using Matrix?
A: If you have a fish load it would be extremely difficult to bring down your nitrates to zero (fish foods, waste, being introduced on a daily basis). However, it will help maintain your nitrates at lower levels.

Q: I have a few new customers that are telling me that Aquarium Pharmaceutical's product, called Bio Chem Stars - - is better because the same amount Bio Chem Stars compared to Matrix will handle a much larger amount of water.
A: 1 L of Matrix treats 100 gallons and 1 container of the bio chem stars with 20 stars treats 100 gallons. Both cost exactly the same (at Dr. Fosters web site). Also the information on the Aquarium pharm website says the pore size is in the 50-70 micron range and they do not specifically mention denitryifing bacteria... that coupled with the fact that Matrix has a pore size in the 3-30 micron range (and it does support anaerobic denitrifying bacteria) strongly suggests that the bio chem stars only support aerobic bacteria, not anaerobic... so it only does half of what Matrix does.
 
I think you need low to no oxygen to grow nitrate eating bacteria. You would have to come up with some kind of reactor. Sorry, but I think Matrix is better used as a filter bio media.
 
I'm interested in this stuff as well and just discovered it yesterday while looking for a better nitrate test kit on the seachem website.

My guess is that the trick to settng up an anearobic nitrate digester is keeping the oxygen levels down. I thought of using a 5' length of 3" ABS drain pipe with end caps on both ends. Drill and tap the endcaps and put hose barbs on them. From one end run a hose to a small (10Watt) fountain pump submersed in your sump. The hose on the other end can go either bank to the tank or the sump. Filling the inside of the digestor with Seachem Matrix would cost a king's ransom but I think crushed coral would do the same job.

The first 24" or so would be populated with aerobic bacteria that would ensure conversion from nitrite and ammonia to nitrate while depleting the digestor of oxygen. The rest of the length would be suitable habitat for anaerobes that would consume the nitrate. It might take up to a month to start working but once established I bet it would keep nitrates under 10 ppm.

Anyone know of anybody doing something similar to this?
 
I forgot that I added Matrix to my XP3 canister on my 75G about 2 months ago. I filled up the bottom half of the top basket. I just checked the nitrates and didn't notice any change. The tank been running stable for a year, so I rarely check my nitrates. I do have a nitrate problem with my tap water. It's running around 20-30PPM's out of the tap. By the time I get to my weekly water change, the tank is up to 50-60PPMs. My tank is at 60PPMs now (Tuesday is the change day); so no improvement.

I also have a 150G that I set up almost 4 months ago. The bio-load is fairly close to the 75G (12 cichlids in 75G vs 21 in 150G), so I would expect about the same readings. When I checked that tank, it was around 30-40 (Tonight is water change time). I have Matrix and Cell-Pore in both canisters. Now I could draw the conclusion that the Cell-Pore is reducing nitrates; but I'll need to monitor both tanks for a while before I can make any meaningful conclusions.
 
Is the flow rate in through your cannister low enough? There may be too much oxygen in your cannister for the anaerobic bacteria to grow. From the website....

DIRECTIONS: For best results, de*nitrate™ should be placed to assure the flow of water through it, such as in a canister filter, chemical filtration module, or box filter. Flow rate should not exceed 200 L (50 gallons*) per hour. If higher flow rates are unavoidable, use Matrix™ or Pond Matrix™.
 
hillbilly;771030; said:
I think you need low to no oxygen to grow nitrate eating bacteria. You would have to come up with some kind of reactor. Sorry, but I think Matrix is better used as a filter bio media.

anaerobic bacteria exist in a zero oxygen environment, Seachems claims this is posible because of the small size (3-30 micron) of the pores that "Matrix" has.

vfc;772854; said:
I forgot that I added Matrix to my XP3 canister on my 75G about 2 months ago. I filled up the bottom half of the top basket. I just checked the nitrates and didn't notice any change. The tank been running stable for a year, so I rarely check my nitrates. I do have a nitrate problem with my tap water. It's running around 20-30PPM's out of the tap. By the time I get to my weekly water change, the tank is up to 50-60PPMs. My tank is at 60PPMs now (Tuesday is the change day); so no improvement.

I also have a 150G that I set up almost 4 months ago. The bio-load is fairly close to the 75G (12 cichlids in 75G vs 21 in 150G), so I would expect about the same readings. When I checked that tank, it was around 30-40 (Tonight is water change time). I have Matrix and Cell-Pore in both canisters. Now I could draw the conclusion that the Cell-Pore is reducing nitrates; but I'll need to monitor both tanks for a while before I can make any meaningful conclusions.

I would contact your water company, I beleive there are regulations for nitrates to be under 10ppm

Potts050;774260; said:
Is the flow rate in through your cannister low enough? There may be too much oxygen in your cannister for the anaerobic bacteria to grow. From the website....

DIRECTIONS: For best results, de*nitrate™ should be placed to assure the flow of water through it, such as in a canister filter, chemical filtration module, or box filter. Flow rate should not exceed 200 L (50 gallons*) per hour. If higher flow rates are unavoidable, use Matrix™ or Pond Matrix™.

The directions you provided are for "de*nitrate" I am using "Matrix"

legendaryfrog;774299; said:
If you want to lower nitrates, put a deep sand bed in your sump. Worked for me pretty good.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'm not really looking to reduce nitrates, my levels are fine with weekly water changes. I was just curious of Seachem's claim.
 
My guess is good old fashioned water replacement would work much better at reducing nitrates though. I've researched bio nitrate reduction in the past, and seems to be very tricky to get to work satisfactory.
 
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