Selective breeding

[Etunes]

No such thing.......You either have the Peruvian/Basin form, or the Orinoco form available to the hobby.........There are another 5 or 6 different forms waiting to be described and reviewed.......

However, there is no "selective breeding" with Matas.......There really isn't any breeding with Matas unless you have a deep pond......Only one person is doing it with any kind of consistancy.....

If you want to do Turtles, do the million and one RES morphs available......You can go from egg to egg in the time it takes to acclimate a Mata or any type of non-native Turtle........Pink Bellies and a few others could be done the same way, but producing Turtles is not an easy task if you don't have the resources to do so......

Good info. Actually i might be able to arrange this. this is all in the planning stages but a deep pond is not something that is unachievable for me. And i will never ever do RES, i dont really like them. If i am gonna do a turtle though i think i am gonna go with mud turtles. Even though long term mata mata turtles are not a long shot. I have a nice lot to work with.

Try to create our own lineage of melanistic leopard geckos, first step: get a good amount of the darkest normals you can find.

Not a bad idea, the problem is i want to do something not really done before but i might shoot at this anyways as i like the geckos and the gecko industry is huge which equals easy sales in the long run.

So far the ideas i like is the:
Garter snake
Mud turtles
Leapord geckos
mata matas (but this would be far down the road as i want to get some exp. under my belt with turtle breeding)

RMorrow or anyone else could you kinda give me more info on the garter snake idea? I like it but i didnt even know the potential for morphs were out there with them.

Like the ideas keep them rollin.

 

[snakeguy101]

No such thing.......You either have the Peruvian/Basin form, or the Orinoco form available to the hobby.........There are another 5 or 6 different forms waiting to be described and reviewed.......

I am confused, you say that there is no such thing and then say there are 5 or 6 different forms? And I really think that there are not many captive bred ones because not many people have tried. I think that if he were to get a group of the Peruvian localities (i believe those are the ones that have the deep red and black) and placed some of the nicer looking ones together, BOOM, you have a selective breeding project.

 

[EricIvins]

I am confused, you say that there is no such thing and then say there are 5 or 6 different forms? And I really think that there are not many captive bred ones because not many people have tried. I think that if he were to get a group of the Peruvian localities (i believe those are the ones that have the deep red and black) and placed some of the nicer looking ones together, BOOM, you have a selective breeding project.

There is no such thing as a "Black and Red" form, because alot of the different localities are hatched with that plastron color........They lose it by 3-4"........It would take you a minimum 8-12 years ( Some groups have been together for 20 + years and still no hatchlings ) before any of those Turtles hit maturity, and more than likely you'd be Male heavy to begin with......

So you're lookin at what, maybe 20 years before you see F1 offspring? Hatching them can be difficult depending on when they're laid in the season, and ambient conditions.......Yet another road block that you'd have to deal with.......Many people have had Females lay Eggs, myself included, but I can count on one hand the people that have hatched them.......

Thats as far as it goes......MANY people have tried, and 98% of have FAILED.......They, along with many other Turtles, are hard to get to reproduce......The people that have been successfull have worked with their individual Turtles for MANY years before they even see courtship behavoir......I sold my group of Orinoco Matas, and they're still producing Eggs.......All of them laid in the water, and all of them no good........That's the status quo.......Nothing less, nothin more......

 

[coura]

Now that we are at this a turtle that is also relatively easy to breed and that you dont have to wait 20 years to mature its the chinese golden throat turtle Mauremys sinensis. Several people in Spain are having great sucess with this species, housing them outdoors most of the year and bringing them indoors for winter.

 

[EricIvins]

Now that we are at this a turtle that is also relatively easy to breed and that you dont have to wait 20 years to mature its the chinese golden throat turtle Mauremys sinensis. Several people in Spain are having great sucess with this species, housing them outdoors most of the year and bringing them indoors for winter.

Emydura, Elseya, Mauremys, etc......Even Hamiltonii can be taken Egg to Egg in 10 years or less......You have to understand the dynamics involved to be successful......Diapause and substrate moisture throw alot of curves in many different Turtle species.......Some species need to be just about submerged in water before they hatch or start to develop.......That's why alot of Turtle breeders leave Eggs in the ground to their own devices, and if they hatch, they hatch......

 

[A. gigas]

you could do mata mata's. The black and red variety would be neat to work with.

http://www.reptilechannel.com/images/care-sheets/mata-mata-3-500.jpg

that... is... EPIC.

ball python.

 

[Etunes]

There is no such thing as a "Black and Red" form, because alot of the different localities are hatched with that plastron color........They lose it by 3-4"........It would take you a minimum 8-12 years ( Some groups have been together for 20 + years and still no hatchlings ) before any of those Turtles hit maturity, and more than likely you'd be Male heavy to begin with......

So you're lookin at what, maybe 20 years before you see F1 offspring? Hatching them can be difficult depending on when they're laid in the season, and ambient conditions.......Yet another road block that you'd have to deal with.......Many people have had Females lay Eggs, myself included, but I can count on one hand the people that have hatched them.......

Thats as far as it goes......MANY people have tried, and 98% of have FAILED.......They, along with many other Turtles, are hard to get to reproduce......The people that have been successfull have worked with their individual Turtles for MANY years before they even see courtship behavoir......I sold my group of Orinoco Matas, and they're still producing Eggs.......All of them laid in the water, and all of them no good........That's the status quo.......Nothing less, nothin more......

Have you ever thought it is the challenge that makes it fun? The thing is that it might be a long time for them to reach sexual maturity but look at it this way, your end destination might be selective breeding but along the way you find good ways to breed them or many ways not to breed them. The thing is i like this idea so much as if everyone had the attitude it will take forever for sexual maturity then it would never happen, but it will also make victory even richer in the end. I think i am gonna try it out and see what i can come up with but i am not gonna make it my main goal.

Ok, keep them coming but i need help now. I need a good breeder i can get contact for leapord geckos, a good site or breeder with pics of garter pics and a couple of good links for matas to extend my research.

 

[shells-n-scales]

If you like a challenge and want to line breed some nice animals and make a bit of money.. Maybe try your hands at line breeding bearded dragons.


I know Rick Millspaugh is a big budgie hobbyist, and he took what he learned from line breeding parakeets and put it into bearded dragons... he now produces these full body colored bearded dragons... and they easily sell for $150 on the low end and up to $300ea.

 

[Etunes]

wow, those are amazing. So he did that through selective breeding?

 

[kenC56]

You should look into carpet pythons. The coasatals, irians, centralian, and jungles are all specificly bred to come out with the best colors. There are even nice morphs and crosses that look stunnung. In my opionion these can be some of the most beautiful snakes. The prices are not too expesive either.