Severum Hybrids?

[Kaliedoscope]

No matter how much you want to have a severum hybrid "to be the only one in the world who has ever had one" its not going to happen. .

SLLLOOOOW DOWN man.... Chill.
You're taking this waay to seriously.
I wrote a much more bombastic reply, but I accidentally backspaced and deleted it while putting in a few of these.

I've had this fish for almost eleven years now, so
truthfully,
I really, really don't care what species he is.

People were already discussing the possibility of severum hybrids on another forum. I mentioned my fish and several people wanted to see pics

so i made this thread.

I didn't really get much of a response from people so I've just been playing devils advocate in this conversation. Something about how "sure" everybody seems makes it just not seem right. : P

 

[Water]

Something about how "sure" everybody seems makes it just not seem right. : P

LOL You posted a thread, and people responded. Your fish has no severum in it. Case closed

 

[Kaliedoscope]

thats what I was saying! we don't need to keep arguing

 

[tiddlywinks]

looks like a convict with a pearl or two.

 

[Psuedofire]

Sounds like a crack head fish! What kind of "rocks" do you use in your "Tanks"?

 

[Kaliedoscope]

Sounds like a crack head fish! What kind of "rocks" do you use in your "Tanks"?

what are you referring to?

 

[Psuedofire]

Ok bad joke, I am saying your hard to take serious. People are offering you information, but your just throwing your opinion out there and not listening to them based on your bias. Read this paper published by the U of Nebraska, or at least the intro
http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1010&context=ichthynicar

The article explains Central American cichlid geographical distribution on p 169.
I know this does not cover your exact situation but it does have some great info to give you some background.

Ok, now after getting some solid info out of the way, hybridization involve two species that have descended from a common ancestor which in terms will likely possess DNA that have close similarity within the base pair sequences. The amount of which the species are related can be determined by how close DNA base pair sequences match. In this case, Heros severus and Amatitlania nigrofasciata have derived from common ancestry as all fish have, but geological barriers have had an effect on the way the have evolved to adapt to the area they live in now. Being from different climates has had an effect on the severums ancestry as well as the convict which today possess different DNA structure which will not allow a viable ester bond to connect the two DNA polymers in the correct genetic formation. The degree of hybridization is proportional to the degree of similarity between the molecules of DNA from the two species. There is strong evidence to denote your claim that this is severum x convict. The physical apearence of your hybrid does not match any charactaristics in my opinion of a severum ( I have had many). I am just wondering how do explain the pearls? Severum sure do not have them!

 

[shane2sweet1]

Very interesting reading...
I have no experience with American Cichlids, but find reading these threads interesting. I have African Cichlids and was under the assumption that I had an all male tank until recently I saw my male Nimbo Livingstonii trying to breed my Red Zebra (which I thought was a dude, but apparently not). Now she didn't hold the eggs for much more than a few days and then she spit them out. Now I don't know much about hybrids and don't know if this is even something possibly. He might try to fertilize her eggs but that doesn't mean he can fertilize them. Who knows anything about anything, isn't that the problem with hybrids, that's I'm saying is who knows because none of its natural.

 

[Chrisplosion]

Very interesting reading...
I have no experience with American Cichlids, but find reading these threads interesting. I have African Cichlids and was under the assumption that I had an all male tank until recently I saw my male Nimbo Livingstonii trying to breed my Red Zebra (which I thought was a dude, but apparently not). Now she didn't hold the eggs for much more than a few days and then she spit them out. Now I don't know much about hybrids and don't know if this is even something possibly. He might try to fertilize her eggs but that doesn't mean he can fertilize them. Who knows anything about anything, isn't that the problem with hybrids, that's I'm saying is who knows because none of its natural.

Actually hybridizing is a natural thing, contrary to popular belief it does indeed happen in nature. Maybe not to scale of a flowerhorn or blood parrot but you will find hybrids in nature.

You male can try fertilize the eggs but buts its all a matter of will the eggs take. I don't know much about African hybrids but I don't think it will work.

 

[Psuedofire]

Hybridization is natural in nature but it is fairly rare in animal species. For plants, that's another story. Your red zebra is mbuna and the livingstonii is haplochromis, they will not be able to reproduce together. Most mbuna I am familiar with and have kept are able to hybridize with each other but it never produced anything that looked good from the fry that survived in the tanks. As for hap species hybridizing with other haps i am not sure what works. Aulonacara species will hybridize easily as well.