d3r, you just have to examine a sharks brain, they got mostly a brainstem. So they cannot "think". To say we don't know shows you have no education on the subject.
Shark attacks - Accidental or Malicious?
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By "attack"..i don't mean getting JUST eaten. i mean bites aswell.
there were 4 or 5 guys standing around filming so the shark bit his entire calf off (ate it) and people grabbed him and carried him to shore. had he been alone there's no telling what couldve happened.
^and i think you guys think i think(lol) sharks hunt us down and kill us specifically...i don't. i don't think it gives a crap what species it bites. which is exactly my point.
all these people saying "accident" "mis-id" blah blah.. i think that's bull. Sometimes they know were not seals, know were not their everyday food. and yet still bite.
And if they can't think then why do they take explority bites?
(Although i am not knowledgable about sharks. i just don't believe everything "experts" tell me as a fact)
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there were 4 or 5 guys standing around filming so the shark bit his entire calf off (ate it) and people grabbed him and carried him to shore. had he been alone there's no telling what couldve happened.
^and i think you guys think i think(lol) sharks hunt us down and kill us specifically...i don't. i don't think it gives a crap what species it bites. which is exactly my point.
all these people saying "accident" "mis-id" blah blah.. i think that's bull. Sometimes they know were not seals, know were not their everyday food. and yet still bite.
And if they can't think then why do they take explority bites?
(Although i am not knowledgable about sharks. i just don't believe everything "experts" tell me as a fact)
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well sharks are getting killed in the millons every year. for stupid shark fin soup. people are gonna cry if someone get killed or attacked. I mean Ill feel sorry for the family, but you take the risk of being in there turf.
Id say accidental because its just instinct for the shark.
Id say accidental because its just instinct for the shark.
I want to preface this post by reminding people there are close to 400 species of elasmobranchs, and only a very small number grow to a size big enough to do any harm to a human. Most are cold water animals that stay smaller than 4 feet and feed exclusively on inverts and small fish.
I want to touch on two things quickly.:
First, the Indianapolis going down and turning into a shark story is nothing more than a story. Loss of life due to actual shark attack has been dispelled. Less than 10 people MIGHT have been taken by sharks. Sailors seeing sharks in the water turned into sailors 'seeing' sharks eating people. Remember the time frame - back then people knew very little of shark behavior, and they were seen as man eating monsters of the ocean. That image was burned into the heads of many of those young men prior to that night.
Dr. Erich Ritter is the man in the video you are talking about. He will tell you there were several factors at play. 1) They got too comfortable with the sharks around them, and weren't paying attention. They missed the cues that the sharks were investigating them more and more. 2) They had their hands in the water. Get in the water and watch hands waving. The white flashes when the sun hit's the palm looks very similar to schooling fish (food). What we see in that video is a great example of an investigatory bite. That bull bit and let go. Had it wanted to, it would have latched on, pulled him in and finished the kill. It did not, nor did the other sharks join in.
Let's step back and look at this from a different angle.
Shark 'attack' lends itself to a negative context right of the bat. It sounds like sharks are aggressive toward humans. In fact, the term should be shark investigatory bite. Sharks have amazing sensory abilities in the water, probably more that we as humans have on land. Prior to a bite, a shark will make several passes and figure out what an object is to the best of their ability. After that, it will bite. Why? There are there are two reasons. Sharks will bite as a means to capture prey. If they bite, they are going after a food source. Hunting in general takes a lot of energy. Sharks won't waste that going after something that won't restore the calories burned (which is why they tend to prey on sick, weak, injured animals). The second reason is to investigate further. If they can't ID an object, they will bite it to figure out what it is. This is why you hear about sharks with odd objects in their stomach/GI tract. If sharks saw humans as a viable food source, no beach would be safe for us - ever. They would have keyed into our patterns of playing in the shallows many decades ago, and been right there hunting the whole time. In fact, most people in the water have no clue how close sharks really are to them - and yet the shark swims by without the human even realizing one was there.
Humans are NOT a naturally occuring object in thier world. They aren't seeking us out as food. Sharks are smart and can be very curious. When they bite a human, most of the time it's trying to figure out what we are. Sadly, the sharks that will do that are big enough to cause fatal damage to the human body.
As someone who has been bitten by several species of sharks, I can assure you none of them fall into an aggressive / eat a human classification. They were wrong place/wrong time accidental bites - whether is be getting between a food source and the shark, missing signals and cues from the animal or the dumbest one of all - the "SFE" (stupid feeding error).
In my 20 years of dealing with sharks, I have never witnessed a shark waste the engery it takes to bite as an act of pure aggression.
I want to touch on two things quickly.:
First, the Indianapolis going down and turning into a shark story is nothing more than a story. Loss of life due to actual shark attack has been dispelled. Less than 10 people MIGHT have been taken by sharks. Sailors seeing sharks in the water turned into sailors 'seeing' sharks eating people. Remember the time frame - back then people knew very little of shark behavior, and they were seen as man eating monsters of the ocean. That image was burned into the heads of many of those young men prior to that night.
Dr. Erich Ritter is the man in the video you are talking about. He will tell you there were several factors at play. 1) They got too comfortable with the sharks around them, and weren't paying attention. They missed the cues that the sharks were investigating them more and more. 2) They had their hands in the water. Get in the water and watch hands waving. The white flashes when the sun hit's the palm looks very similar to schooling fish (food). What we see in that video is a great example of an investigatory bite. That bull bit and let go. Had it wanted to, it would have latched on, pulled him in and finished the kill. It did not, nor did the other sharks join in.
Let's step back and look at this from a different angle.
Shark 'attack' lends itself to a negative context right of the bat. It sounds like sharks are aggressive toward humans. In fact, the term should be shark investigatory bite. Sharks have amazing sensory abilities in the water, probably more that we as humans have on land. Prior to a bite, a shark will make several passes and figure out what an object is to the best of their ability. After that, it will bite. Why? There are there are two reasons. Sharks will bite as a means to capture prey. If they bite, they are going after a food source. Hunting in general takes a lot of energy. Sharks won't waste that going after something that won't restore the calories burned (which is why they tend to prey on sick, weak, injured animals). The second reason is to investigate further. If they can't ID an object, they will bite it to figure out what it is. This is why you hear about sharks with odd objects in their stomach/GI tract. If sharks saw humans as a viable food source, no beach would be safe for us - ever. They would have keyed into our patterns of playing in the shallows many decades ago, and been right there hunting the whole time. In fact, most people in the water have no clue how close sharks really are to them - and yet the shark swims by without the human even realizing one was there.
Humans are NOT a naturally occuring object in thier world. They aren't seeking us out as food. Sharks are smart and can be very curious. When they bite a human, most of the time it's trying to figure out what we are. Sadly, the sharks that will do that are big enough to cause fatal damage to the human body.
As someone who has been bitten by several species of sharks, I can assure you none of them fall into an aggressive / eat a human classification. They were wrong place/wrong time accidental bites - whether is be getting between a food source and the shark, missing signals and cues from the animal or the dumbest one of all - the "SFE" (stupid feeding error).
In my 20 years of dealing with sharks, I have never witnessed a shark waste the engery it takes to bite as an act of pure aggression.
^ that was a good read!
couple questions though...
bro-man up there called me Uneducated about sharks and claimed sharks can't "think" what do you say about that considering YOU just said they're smart.
and also, how is it considered an "accident" just because we as humans didn't follow the signs of how a shark is acting. i don't feel the fact that we didn't get out of the way fast enough that its now labeled an "accident".
couple questions though...
bro-man up there called me Uneducated about sharks and claimed sharks can't "think" what do you say about that considering YOU just said they're smart.
and also, how is it considered an "accident" just because we as humans didn't follow the signs of how a shark is acting. i don't feel the fact that we didn't get out of the way fast enough that its now labeled an "accident".
^ you took the wrong message from the story. The main message I got was we looked like their natural prey and it took a nibble
Seems to me youre trying to paint sharks as bullies or pranksters who bite for fun and not for feeding purpose
Seems to me youre trying to paint sharks as bullies or pranksters who bite for fun and not for feeding purpose
^ same here ballin
Any animal feeling threatened enough/hungry enough is going to take a bite at you, not just sharks. Hell when I got home from a weeklong trip my mom wasn't feeding my leopard gecko as much as she should have. He wasn't super skinny but he was obviously agitated. I tried to pick him up, he was tame, never jumped he just immediately bit the hell out of my hand. A day later he was fine
Its a similar situation w/ sharks and ANY large toothy animal, if we as humans don't get outta the way (we are usually encroaching on their territory so its our responsibility to get out of the way) then whatever befalls you will.
There are more people in the US who had a pack of wild dogs try to eat them then sharks. Myself included and I was about 100 feet off the shore of Ocean city one year and found myself in a school of bait fish, which were running from something because they were jumping out of the waves. I was on a boogie board. I was for sure startled, but I just very calmly paddled in. I got out of the way and was fine.
Honestly the time I came across wild dogs w/ my friend of his native reservation it was a much more potentially dangerous situation then in the Atlantic. Thankfully we were armed a one shot in the air scared the dogs away. People are attacked on the regular on that reservation by the dogs, you don't walk around at night w/o some sort of protection
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Any animal feeling threatened enough/hungry enough is going to take a bite at you, not just sharks. Hell when I got home from a weeklong trip my mom wasn't feeding my leopard gecko as much as she should have. He wasn't super skinny but he was obviously agitated. I tried to pick him up, he was tame, never jumped he just immediately bit the hell out of my hand. A day later he was fine
Its a similar situation w/ sharks and ANY large toothy animal, if we as humans don't get outta the way (we are usually encroaching on their territory so its our responsibility to get out of the way) then whatever befalls you will.
There are more people in the US who had a pack of wild dogs try to eat them then sharks. Myself included and I was about 100 feet off the shore of Ocean city one year and found myself in a school of bait fish, which were running from something because they were jumping out of the waves. I was on a boogie board. I was for sure startled, but I just very calmly paddled in. I got out of the way and was fine.
Honestly the time I came across wild dogs w/ my friend of his native reservation it was a much more potentially dangerous situation then in the Atlantic. Thankfully we were armed a one shot in the air scared the dogs away. People are attacked on the regular on that reservation by the dogs, you don't walk around at night w/o some sort of protection
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^^ I'm not. The picture I'm trying to paint is Sharks give no Effs about who or what we are or what it eats or bites. and we as humans shouldn't make excuses about why we get bitten or killed.
We get bitten because were in the water and they are king in the water. why do we throw out these excuses that they're unintentional acts? like i said I'm sure a lot of the time they are...they're mistakes on what they THINK they're biting..but I'm not convinced ALL of them are. I feel sometimes they know were not normal sea dwelling creatures and they still bite us with an intent to figure out what we are and decide if it wants to eat us. (Obviously most of the time they move on)
shark "experts" paint the picture that the sharks "know better" than to attack humans and they won't eat us and so on...so the only possible way it happens is if by accident.
i call BS. sometimes its with a motive and intent whatever reason that might be. EVERY shark attack show or documentary tells what happened and then an "expert" SPECULATING on WHY it happened and how it was all a big misunderstanding.. i say sometimes there is no excuse..it seen a human and bit him for whatever reason whether it be to eat him or curiousity..it bit him on purpose with no seal/turtle confusion or anything like that.
I know it goes against everything you've ever heard on shark week but i dont think its as crazy and farfetched as you guys are making it out to be. just thinking outside the shark week box for a second and it makes more sense to me. guess I'm the only one.
hahah oh well..I've enjoyed the conversation and getting a peak inside your thoughts. you probably all think I'm dumb or an A-hole but i swear I'm not LOL I'm just a skeptic i guess.. seeing how "facts" change in this world so quickly. who knows, 15yrs down the road more tests and experiments might show i was right
haha
We get bitten because were in the water and they are king in the water. why do we throw out these excuses that they're unintentional acts? like i said I'm sure a lot of the time they are...they're mistakes on what they THINK they're biting..but I'm not convinced ALL of them are. I feel sometimes they know were not normal sea dwelling creatures and they still bite us with an intent to figure out what we are and decide if it wants to eat us. (Obviously most of the time they move on)
shark "experts" paint the picture that the sharks "know better" than to attack humans and they won't eat us and so on...so the only possible way it happens is if by accident.
i call BS. sometimes its with a motive and intent whatever reason that might be. EVERY shark attack show or documentary tells what happened and then an "expert" SPECULATING on WHY it happened and how it was all a big misunderstanding.. i say sometimes there is no excuse..it seen a human and bit him for whatever reason whether it be to eat him or curiousity..it bit him on purpose with no seal/turtle confusion or anything like that.
I know it goes against everything you've ever heard on shark week but i dont think its as crazy and farfetched as you guys are making it out to be. just thinking outside the shark week box for a second and it makes more sense to me. guess I'm the only one.
hahah oh well..I've enjoyed the conversation and getting a peak inside your thoughts. you probably all think I'm dumb or an A-hole but i swear I'm not LOL I'm just a skeptic i guess.. seeing how "facts" change in this world so quickly. who knows, 15yrs down the road more tests and experiments might show i was right
haha
The problem is youre ignoring things that blow holes in your theory. Things like why sharks just bite and leave swimmers alone most of the time. Why sharks in heavily populated swim areas don't bite more humans? Heck they could target children if they wanted to. Instead you focus on your theory with no counter points
PS, who the heck watches shark week? Ive got people who work with sharks for a living on this site. Plus if I watched shark week I'd be thinking more like you as all they do is dramatize bites and show sharks jumping out of the water
PS, who the heck watches shark week? Ive got people who work with sharks for a living on this site. Plus if I watched shark week I'd be thinking more like you as all they do is dramatize bites and show sharks jumping out of the water
