shivering and shaking, help!
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Fishkeeper, it doesn't really matter if it is ich or another external parasite. In most cases, the salt will take care of both.
alright well thanks a whole lot evreyone. update whatever it was he had its alomst gone probably has 3-4 spots left of her which should be gone by tommrow morning. i didnt get chance to go buy some ssalt but i definitly will for the future. all i did was boost the temp and did small water changes. as soon as the parasite is gone i will do a 30% water change.
when should i turn the temp back to normal temp? do i put it back as soon as the parasites are gone or should i wait a day or 2?
when should i turn the temp back to normal temp? do i put it back as soon as the parasites are gone or should i wait a day or 2?
The temp isn't critically important. Is just fractionally speeds up the life cycle of the parasite. The more water changes you make (replacing a proportionate amount of salt) will also eliminate loads of the free swimmers.
You want to treat with salt for at least two weeks after the last signs of parasites disappear.
You want to treat with salt for at least two weeks after the last signs of parasites disappear.
Plenty of maligned advice in this thread.
Temperature kills some strains of the Ich parasite and also speeds up the process.
One big water change prior to treatment, followed by an appropriate dosing of salt and bumping up the temperature to 32C (88-89F), increasing aeration to properly oxygenate the water with the higher temperature, and if you really feel like overkill - medicating with a Protozoan treatment.
Contrary to what has been said in this thread, you cannot "see" a difference during treatment, that isn't how the life cycle of Ich works. Treatments won't immediately make the white spots disappear, they're locked on until they're developed enough to drop off and attempt to reproduce, which is when they become vulnerable to heat, salt and medication.
Water changes will only remove free swimming parasites in the water and substrate which are already vulnerable to your treatment methods anyway, and it's an unnecessary step as it means you're not only causing possible stress to the fish in the process, but also stuffing around with your salt dosages for no real reason.
Continue high temperature and salt until 2 weeks after the last white spot disappears, or follow the instructions as per your medications recommendations.
To all those giving poor advice in this thread because it may or may not have worked for you in the past, please have a read up on how Ich actually works and you'll have a much better time of treating it in the future. Understanding and Treating Ich or Whitespot.
Temperature kills some strains of the Ich parasite and also speeds up the process.
One big water change prior to treatment, followed by an appropriate dosing of salt and bumping up the temperature to 32C (88-89F), increasing aeration to properly oxygenate the water with the higher temperature, and if you really feel like overkill - medicating with a Protozoan treatment.
Contrary to what has been said in this thread, you cannot "see" a difference during treatment, that isn't how the life cycle of Ich works. Treatments won't immediately make the white spots disappear, they're locked on until they're developed enough to drop off and attempt to reproduce, which is when they become vulnerable to heat, salt and medication.
Water changes will only remove free swimming parasites in the water and substrate which are already vulnerable to your treatment methods anyway, and it's an unnecessary step as it means you're not only causing possible stress to the fish in the process, but also stuffing around with your salt dosages for no real reason.
Continue high temperature and salt until 2 weeks after the last white spot disappears, or follow the instructions as per your medications recommendations.
To all those giving poor advice in this thread because it may or may not have worked for you in the past, please have a read up on how Ich actually works and you'll have a much better time of treating it in the future. Understanding and Treating Ich or Whitespot.
To all those giving poor advice in this thread because it may or may not have worked for you in the past, please have a read up on how Ich actually works and you'll have a much better time of treating it in the future. Understanding and Treating Ich or Whitespot.
just as a point all scientific research starts with trial and error. trying things and seeing what works and what doesnt. some people have tried things and had them work and tried other things and had them not. the OP posted a question to the forum, he didnt ask for somewhere to get information, otherwise he would have asked "where can i get information about ich" therefore we (putting myself into the trashed bunch) posted our personal opinions and our personal routines. thank you for you time and concern as to what we said, but i dont think it required all of that.
just as a point all scientific research starts with trial and error. trying things and seeing what works and what doesnt. some people have tried things and had them work and tried other things and had them not. the OP posted a question to the forum, he didnt ask for somewhere to get information, otherwise he would have asked "where can i get information about ich" therefore we (putting myself into the trashed bunch) posted our personal opinions and our personal routines. thank you for you time and concern as to what we said, but i dont think it required all of that.
perfect_prefect;3008908; said:
it's funny that you just posted a link of where he could get information about ich.
perfect_prefect;3008908; said:
I've put forth a treatment plan that has worked for me in the past with backing from a highly renowned and regarded document about the understanding and treatment of the Ich parasite, which was primarily linked for those giving advice that while somewhat correct, was not entirely well informed.
How you "dont think this was required", when this forum should now and always be regarded as a public resource for the betterment of fish keeping, I simply don't understand. Please refer to my signature if you any issues with this.
Dmaan.;3008919; said:
The first sentence and included link is quoted from my previous reply.
Just a few additions to the treatment plan ; when doing water changes during salt treatments be sure add additional salt amounts to equal the new water.
If this isn't working, op's stated it is, I've had great success killin' parasites with Mardel Cooper safe. It's cleated cooper sulfiate. Just take care not to dose other fish in the tank that are half/scale like tetras or plecos. Problem with quick ick is you have to remove your carbon or it will nuetralize the active ingredients. For those of us who are exclusive overhead filtertration - your removing the main colonies of cycled bacteria and run the risk of crashing the nitrate cycle if not properly stored. Also by removing the media untreated parasites on the media may be re-introduced into the tank when the media is put back into the pump house causing a revovling door type syndrome.
Japes is 100% correct, increasing temps raises the metabolism rate of the parasites shortening their life cycle. An increase in O2 in highly recommened least you create an oxygen deficiant enviorment which is worse for your fish than ick.
If this isn't working, op's stated it is, I've had great success killin' parasites with Mardel Cooper safe. It's cleated cooper sulfiate. Just take care not to dose other fish in the tank that are half/scale like tetras or plecos. Problem with quick ick is you have to remove your carbon or it will nuetralize the active ingredients. For those of us who are exclusive overhead filtertration - your removing the main colonies of cycled bacteria and run the risk of crashing the nitrate cycle if not properly stored. Also by removing the media untreated parasites on the media may be re-introduced into the tank when the media is put back into the pump house causing a revovling door type syndrome.
Japes is 100% correct, increasing temps raises the metabolism rate of the parasites shortening their life cycle. An increase in O2 in highly recommened least you create an oxygen deficiant enviorment which is worse for your fish than ick.
