You don't know me, and apparently have a very murky idea of my "Motives", so how could you "expect" me to say anything? My "motive" was to promote the breeding of quality sb's, nothing more, nothing less. I said they were interesting yes, but not because I liked the idea of crumpled fish, more because I'd never experienced such deformity in my sb fry. I find your comment about me me making it seem more sophisticated than it is ironic, especially when you consider the info I was trying to share should've made things easier to understand. As for pics, I'm sorry I can't go back in time 3 years to take comparison pics for you. As for what you're going to do with your fish & fry, of course you're going to do what you wish with them, lets not be silly. Not only can I not make you do anything with your hybrid projects, I wasn't trying to. I only asked that you re-consider things in the light of new info. If you thought my honest assessment of your fish was discouraging, I am sorry, I just don't think a fish with a crumpled spine is a high quality fish.
short body genes?
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All that is understood. I apologize also... I didnt mean to try and make it seem like you don't know what your talking about when I know you do.
Ok... If we were to go back to one of my first posts, I asked about pure sb's. I asked because if you think of a bp... Its a first generation hybrid so you would think all of its genes would not be passed on like a line bred bonsai or a sb texas. So in all actuallity if one bred a bonsai or a pure sb to a regular length... I could understand the 50% average.
Now as far as the zig zag spine... Are you saying that the sb's you raised never had this as fry? Did you observe them as few day old fry and pull them? I thought all the straight ones grew to regular length(of corse it depends on how they are grown out). I'm asking... Not trying to argue. I'm experimenting with different shapes because I will be making hybrids anyway, but of corse I don't need/want bad genetic issues.
I also agree they will die first. I had one from my tex pair spawn that made it to half an inch. One day I came home from work late... Looked at the fish and they all(including the sb) were happy to see me ready to eat. Well I decided to go ahead and feed my other fish first so I ran upstairs... It was less than 3 minutes and I went downstairs to a sb skeleton. Idk why but they ARE the first to go as Izzy stated...
Apology unaccepted. Lol well thanks. I don't need you to wish me luck... You would have been better off just sticking to the thread and answering the questions asked. In which I brought up a good point about the bp's first generation genetics. That's what the forum is for... Exchanging/getting info. I have no problem guessing and checking my own work so its not like I needed your answers or input on what I got going. Let's get it right, its not the forums fault... Just certain members within it. Also a lot of members back up what they are saying with some type of proof. Again not taking from you because I know you have bred sb's. At the end of the day we know what we know and we can continue with that.
Sorry OP for all the riff raff... I'm still interested in your turn outs(whenever your fish produce them). No worries over here. Lol
Hey its been a day and I have went back and read what you said(even stumbling upon things you said that I missed). I know I am not the main short body breeder of mfk and I am in no way trying to be. The frustration I had was from being defensive on what I was trying to provide to the thread. I am not one to argue about somethinng I don't have much knowledge on but when what I posted got talked down on, I felt I had to say something. I felt that if you accepted my apology you would have elaborated on what was asked. When I said you "would" have been better off... It was to say I was done with all the back and forth convo that wasn't going anywhere. I am a rookie when it comes to breeding short bodies and have no problem letting that be known. I will fall back let you answer questions on this thread because you have more knowledge. I will also NOT be breeding my experimental short bodies but will keep my thread on them updated monthly. They will just be part of my collection.
I really got interested in the different shapes that came from my pair because I acquired a full grown carpintis from Dial92 that seems like it has a "short body" look. Idk for sure but it seems the other short body shape(not the round one) that I'm raising now is looking very similar to it.
So let me say... Don't follow my zig zag pattern because Izzy said its not healthy and again let me say I am fresh to "breeding/looking for" short bodies so it will be better for you all to follow what he has said. You got it Izzy... Fill our heads up with more knowledge if you will?
Just wondering... If the short body gene is so dominant, wouldn't a sb bred with another sb produce 100% short bodies? What happened here because none of the fry that were kept were bp, kirin, or bonsai shaped... http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f...525204-Kirin-Parrot-Fry-Progression-Thread-2?
The thread threw me off because I plan on pairing a sb carpintis to a bp and I figured I would get all sb's... But its no biggie because I know(or should I say hope) there will be plenty sb's to cull from.
The thread threw me off because I plan on pairing a sb carpintis to a bp and I figured I would get all sb's... But its no biggie because I know(or should I say hope) there will be plenty sb's to cull from.
How would this differ with a male Bonsai Texas and BP? There would be significantly more SB offspring but there would still be some normal offspring too? Would any be parrot shaped or would that only come later with line breeding?
Good luck to the OP! I will follow with great interest!
Thats why I dont post too much anymore. I used to really enjoy mfk. The zig zag spine is no good. Aside from the obvious developmental issues they will also likely have severe mouth deformity.
Ok... I bought a female bp and it paired with with my carpintis. Well they spawned and on the day I was supposed to come home to wigglers but came home to completely clean nesting site. I couldn't accept that they ate all of them so I snatched out the parents and luckily under the pot they spawned on were about 15 fry left. Well I raised them and noticed an "odd ball." Check out this vid and watch real close to the little fishes zig zag pattern as it swims in between the leaves at 3:13... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSmdDaQPh6I
Next I have the one month footage of the same small batch. Watch for the same funny looking lil guy in the first vid at 2:50 to 3:20... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKtcXbDxAm8
And last I have a vid of when it was two months old. This is the sb I was talking about that got killed while with its siblings. It even had the mouth just like the bp as you will soon see... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aia7qSBjt9Q
3 months old and nothing wrong with their mouths...
The last 3 pics are of the same fish... the first 2 are when it was younger.
Next I have the one month footage of the same small batch. Watch for the same funny looking lil guy in the first vid at 2:50 to 3:20... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKtcXbDxAm8
And last I have a vid of when it was two months old. This is the sb I was talking about that got killed while with its siblings. It even had the mouth just like the bp as you will soon see... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aia7qSBjt9Q
3 months old and nothing wrong with their mouths...
The last 3 pics are of the same fish... the first 2 are when it was younger.
