Should the Ebola infected Americans be allowed in US?

[ballinouttacntrol]

To answer the question just because this has become a fun thread I do not personally feel they should have brought the patient back to the US. I feel it is silly to bring a patient into a densely populated environment even with quarantine especially after the mishandling of Anthrax by the CDC labs recently. I am not saying it is not possible to contain the Virus, but is it smart to bring them to the mainland? I understand completely all of the points that have been made about technology and how we are better suited here to treat the virus than in a small African village, but still you always have to think of worst case scenario. This isn't about who has seen I am legend the most or other comments that have been used to try and make it seem like a non-issue. What it is about is always being prepared for every situation. Since they were dead set on bringing the doctor home they should have set him up on an island on a US territory with medical equipment prepared. Or at a island base of some sort. Some place secure and not a major population center. Once again let me make this very clear I am not arguing it can not be contained or that they aren't taking precautions. I am speaking from a logical standpoint.

This guy summed up my thoughts word for word


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[Estarego8]

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[Warborg]

That was a real experiment, not a movie.

I know that, I was teasing. I was pretending to the others on here that can't give a logical reason for bringing this here, so they change the subject and try to attack us with other things non related.

 

[Warborg]

They showed a video of the first one walking into the hospital. I expecting them to go ET on him with the white tunnels but no. He wore a suit and that was it. He walked out of the ambulance onto public ground(in the open) for a short time before entering the hospital. Not secured or controlled at all.

 

[Yoimbrian]

The other thing I feel like no one is addressing. Some viruses (chicken pox for example) never actually go away. Your body pushes them dormant but then they can show up years later (in that example, as shingles).

Who is to say Ebola survivors aren't still carriers of a dormant virus that could affect people 10 years later? They think they just have a cold, then bam massive outbreak.


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[lp85253]

The other thing I feel like no one is addressing. Some viruses (chicken pox for example) never actually go away. Your body pushes them dormant but then they can show up years later (in that example, as shingles).

Who is to say Ebola survivors aren't still carriers of a dormant virus that could affect people 10 years later? They think they just have a cold, then bam massive outbreak.


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you are talking from the perspective of the uninformed...you could more easily get hit by a bus than get ebola in any form...these worst case fantasies are hollywood movie fluff...the worst outbreak ever(flu 1918) killed millions...do you get your flu shot every year?if not why not? my uneducated opinion... these type of "what could happen"discussions are often debated among the same crowd that thinks that the flu shot is something that can make them sick(way off base)...or that it's (flu shot)non -effective(again , way off base)

 

[skjl47]

They showed a video of the first one walking into the hospital. I expecting them to go ET on him with the white tunnels but no. He wore a suit and that was it. He walked out of the ambulance onto public ground(in the open) for a short time before entering the hospital. Not secured or controlled at all.

Hello; This is the point in my opinion. The view of some seems to be that the suit is good enough and they seem comfortable with that level of containment. I look at that video and can see how a number of things can go wrong with him moving around in just a containment suit.

I do not get into bar fights and have a fool proof way to avoid such fights. I do not go into bars. That I could go into bars and perhaps never get into a fight is possible just as The CDC may get away with each and every phase of having an infected person transported and housed in the USA. However because the infected individual(s)are present it now becomes possible for some error/accident to allow the disease to be released.

My understanding is that with proper treatment the fatality rate is around 60% and with poor treatment the rate can be around 90%. This is a risk-reward issue to me. The infected have a only 40% chance of survival even with good care which is not so great a reward when compared to the risk involved in bringing such a pathogen to a place where it did not previously exist.

It is my understanding that the two americans infected so far had some knowledge and understanding about what they were getting into when they went to treat the disease in Africa. The doctor must have known. I suppose they thought that anti-contamination proceedures would keep them safe. Well, they were wrong and the measures used to prevent infection had some sort of flaw. It is reported that many more are to be sent into the contaminated zones, are we to expect that they will be transproted back if infected?

One other point. What was to stop some deranged person from cutting open the containment suit with the intent to spread the disease? Perhaps unlikely but we do live in a world with zelots and suicide bombers.

 

[Warborg]

Because ET tunnels are not needed with Ebola, a suit or even a mask over the face would of been just fine. It's not an airborne disease.

Not according to a link that was given in this thread(not saying it's true or not but it can't be dismissed at this point).

 

[lp85253]

Hello; This is the point in my opinion. The view of some seems to be that the suit is good enough and they seem comfortable with that level of containment. I look at that video and can see how a number of things can go wrong with him moving around in just a containment suit.

I do not get into bar fights and have a fool proof way to avoid such fights. I do not go into bars. That I could go into bars and perhaps never get into a fight is possible just as The CDC may get away with each and every phase of having an infected person transported and housed in the USA. However because the infected individual(s)are present it now becomes possible for some error/accident to allow the disease to be released.

My understanding is that with proper treatment the fatality rate is around 60% and with poor treatment the rate can be around 90%. This is a risk-reward issue to me. The infected have a only 40% chance of survival even with good care which is not so great a reward when compared to the risk involved in bringing such a pathogen to a place where it did not previously exist.

It is my understanding that the two americans infected so far had some knowledge and understanding about what they were getting into when they went to treat the disease in Africa. The doctor must have known. I suppose they thought that anti-contamination proceedures would keep them safe. Well, they were wrong and the measures used to prevent infection had some sort of flaw. It is reported that many more are to be sent into the contaminated zones, are we to expect that they will be transproted back if infected?

One other point. What was to stop some deranged person from cutting open the containment suit with the intent to spread the disease? Perhaps unlikely but we do live in a world with zelots and suicide bombers.

do you really think ANYBODY who wasn't CRITICAL in the transportation efforts or security was allowed within shouting distance of the patient??? pure speculative fantasy on your part..not CDC policy...NOBODY was at risk (other than those on site) and just in case you didn't get the memo... there were quarantine facilities at EVERY stage of transportation....

 

[skjl47]

Because ET tunnels are not needed with Ebola, a suit or even a mask over the face would of been just fine. It's not an airborne disease.

Hello; Even only a mask? How about the diarrea and vomiting associated with stages of the disease. How about that the virus stays viable for a considerable time on clothing, bedsheets and such. The virus is in perspiration as well. The suit may well be the bare minimum for containment.