yeah thats what i thought, its weird cus the guy seems pretty experienced and has like breeding pairs of turtles and big cichlids n stuff, but then i havent seen his set-ups so i dont know how well they are housed, but yeah so he suggested the northern fire red painted as a cool turt to have and i may even be able to get one that is only little bigger than hatchling size, anyone have this turt and have adult pics, i could only find pics of the juvies but they look really cool and from what i read they can be pretty outgoing like RES but stay a little smaller