So CRUEL!!!!!
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I don't know Kev,that sounds like a fair point.
If you knew the circumstances surrounding the collection point of that grouper, the care, transition process, it is not that valid. There is a lot more to having a salt water fish in fresh than just salinity. Think about the several species of fish that go from Salt to fresh for long periods of time, then back to salt. The bumble bee is one of them.
with that said, it is not for every single specimen of BB grouper and NOT for people that just "think they know how"
Okay,now what about the size of the tank that the MFK grouper is in?... That is the comparison that aaronb mentioned that got my attention,like there is a double standard here.
That grouper is in a 750 gallon tank that Wes owns...I will venture to say a LOT more room than that guys setup. Still not enough for a full grown grouper, but if anyone would do it, it would be Wes.
Just because a fish goes to freshwater at certain times of their lives doesn't mean it's ok to keep them in freshwater always. A Columbian shark is born and grows up in freshwater and then moves to saltwater when older. To my understanding people keep Columbian sharks in freshwater when adult, but they get sickly and usually die. Striped bass go into freshwater at certain points in their life. From what I've read the freshwater lakes they're stocked in have a noticeable salinity level from minerals in the rock where the lake is. The lake 1 mile from me is 12000 acres but doesn't have stripers, because it's completely fresh. A lake 50 miles south of me has stripers, because according to their information the salinity level allows them to flourish. There's no way to know for sure if keeping a bumblebee grouper in freshwater long term hurts them in any way. If you're willing to take the chance anyways I don't see how you can care about the well being of the fish.
Just because a fish goes to freshwater at certain times of their lives doesn't mean it's ok to keep them in freshwater always. A Columbian shark is born and grows up in freshwater and then moves to saltwater when older. To my understanding people keep Columbian sharks in freshwater when adult, but they get sickly and usually die. Striped bass go into freshwater at certain points in their life. From what I've read the freshwater lakes they're stocked in have a noticeable salinity level from minerals in the rock where the lake is. The lake 1 mile from me is 12000 acres but doesn't have stripers, because it's completely fresh. A lake 50 miles south of me has stripers, because according to their information the salinity level allows them to flourish. There's no way to know for sure if keeping a bumblebee grouper in freshwater long term hurts them in any way. If you're willing to take the chance anyways I don't see how you can care about the well being of the fish.
Again, there is MUCH more to it than salinity itself. PH, level of water hardness and a ton of other things play just as vital a role. I myself would NEVER attempt it, I'm not that versed in this particular field. I will however soley defend Wes, as he has studied these fish for decades and knows what he is doing and would not subject a fish to cruelty.
Epinephelus lanceolatus is sometimes sold as a freshwater species or claimed to be a “marine species adapted to freshwater”. This is very far from the truth since the Bumblebee grouper is a marine fish living in the ocean. It is however capable of handling brackish conditions and can therefore venture into estuaries and similar. Young specimens are more adaptable than old ones and can even survive in freshwater for a while. Purchasing a Bumblebee grouper for your freshwater aquarium is not recommended. The older your fish becomes, the harder it will be for it to cope with not being in marine conditions. There are aquarium keepers that have kept bumble bee groupers successfully in freshwater for several years but this is not recommended and they will eventually need to be moved to saltwater environment.
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