Okay, the grammar lesson was a cheap shot. 
But I do think you came off pretty condescending, for a Moderator no less! The you-go-first game was pretty annoying (I know what to look for) but I think what really got to me was the phrase,
before you kill them as if it were an absolute. No question of if, just a matter of when.
There are certainly those on these boards that purport to have something they do not. I, however, am not one of them. I dont have my ego so-closely attached to this as many do. I wasnt trying to brag, simply excited about my new pikes and wanting to share/contribute to the forum. And if someones claiming they have the impossible, but refusing to post photos, then one can simply right them off as being full of shibby!
I am sorry for the small powder keg that was detonated here. Peanut poured the gunpowder trail, and I dropped the match. BOOM! This is not what fishkeeping is about. Perhaps everyone learned a little something about the written word and well all wield it with a little more caution.
Allllllrightee then now, back to the real objective of this site: FISH. My pikes were sold to me by Eddie as Cr. sp. Atabapo and since hes gone on many a collecting trip, I assumed (although I knew they did not look like what Id seen posted on *ahem* other sites) they were correctly identified and I was confusing them in my mind. If I remember correctly, I believe he said he got them from Oliver; whos stock list for January does have them listed as Crenicichla cf. lugubris Red Atabapo. Whatever the confusion, after having seen some photos of (what I will assume to be the real Fires) Cr. sp. Atabapo, I am convinced I have the cf. lugubris variety. They are still quite attractive (albeit not the next new hot thing), sporting the traditional spots-and-stripes pattern up front. I will post some pics as soon as possible (hopefully in the next day or two).
Part of the reason, I imagine, that we love the world of Crenicichla so much is also why its so confusing: the diversity, the un-described species, the constant new discoveries. Its exciting. Its ever-changing and were all trying to stay on top of it.
Ps. I am sorry to hear about your pikes. That does hurt. I know what its like to care about the creatures so much, and put so much of your self into keeping them; and then to have the unexpected (and uncontrollable) happen really is stressful. Im glad to know that there are other conscientious fish keepers involved in the hobby.
But I do think you came off pretty condescending, for a Moderator no less! The you-go-first game was pretty annoying (I know what to look for) but I think what really got to me was the phrase,
before you kill them as if it were an absolute. No question of if, just a matter of when. There are certainly those on these boards that purport to have something they do not. I, however, am not one of them. I dont have my ego so-closely attached to this as many do. I wasnt trying to brag, simply excited about my new pikes and wanting to share/contribute to the forum. And if someones claiming they have the impossible, but refusing to post photos, then one can simply right them off as being full of shibby!
I am sorry for the small powder keg that was detonated here. Peanut poured the gunpowder trail, and I dropped the match. BOOM! This is not what fishkeeping is about. Perhaps everyone learned a little something about the written word and well all wield it with a little more caution.
Allllllrightee then now, back to the real objective of this site: FISH. My pikes were sold to me by Eddie as Cr. sp. Atabapo and since hes gone on many a collecting trip, I assumed (although I knew they did not look like what Id seen posted on *ahem* other sites) they were correctly identified and I was confusing them in my mind. If I remember correctly, I believe he said he got them from Oliver; whos stock list for January does have them listed as Crenicichla cf. lugubris Red Atabapo. Whatever the confusion, after having seen some photos of (what I will assume to be the real Fires) Cr. sp. Atabapo, I am convinced I have the cf. lugubris variety. They are still quite attractive (albeit not the next new hot thing), sporting the traditional spots-and-stripes pattern up front. I will post some pics as soon as possible (hopefully in the next day or two).
Part of the reason, I imagine, that we love the world of Crenicichla so much is also why its so confusing: the diversity, the un-described species, the constant new discoveries. Its exciting. Its ever-changing and were all trying to stay on top of it.
Ps. I am sorry to hear about your pikes. That does hurt. I know what its like to care about the creatures so much, and put so much of your self into keeping them; and then to have the unexpected (and uncontrollable) happen really is stressful. Im glad to know that there are other conscientious fish keepers involved in the hobby.
!!! Oliver DID have some true sp. 'atabapo'....i don't know what he did with them though...he also had tigrina....*grumbles*. 
