Spider Treat

[Rusty Gilbert]

Yes agreed you shouldnt do that I did it when i had my first tank a long time ago and was heavily criticized.

But I do know that people sometimes buy crickets from their LFS and feed them to their fish.

 

[Gshock]

my point was that insects add a diff. meal to the fish's diet...if they have no nutritional value then why do some animals solely eat insects? aro's are primarily insectavors in the wild...fish and animals are smarter then you give them creadit for...yes they don't look at something and think is it going to kill me? but they do investigate what they are about to eat...and if my post makes no sence then we are not trying to mimic the natural habitat? people tell you not to make crickets a staple because fish need a veriaty not because they have no value

you just contradicted yourself. You just finished saying an aro will not eat something that will kill it...now you say they dont...so which one is it? Does an arowana really know if an insect will kill them or not? I highly doubt it, if they did they would be able to pick healthy feeders from unhealthy feeders, you can probably drop rat poison in the tank and they'll think its pellets. Why do they only eat insects? becuase thats mostly what there is. I KNOW how smart they are, smart enough to know when they're going to get fed, and smart enough to start splashing when they get hungry, but not smart enough to know if something is going to kill them when they eat it. Yes arowanas need variety, but neither do I feed crickets as part of a varied diet when theres so many better things i COULD feed. Crickets themselves really do have NO value at all, all its value comes from what we gutload them with, so really, whats the point of feeding it. Only reason TO feed crickets is for aros that wont eat anything else, its like telling me blackworms are really nutritious for rays, they're not, we just use them for sick rays that wont eat. Get my drift yet?

 

[~ocean]

hmmm, I agree with the majority of not to feed live spiders.

 

[sbuse]

you just contradicted yourself. You just finished saying an aro will not eat something that will kill it...now you say they dont...so which one is it? Does an arowana really know if an insect will kill them or not? I highly doubt it, if they did they would be able to pick healthy feeders from unhealthy feeders, you can probably drop rat poison in the tank and they'll think its pellets. Why do they only eat insects? becuase thats mostly what there is. I KNOW how smart they are, smart enough to know when they're going to get fed, and smart enough to start splashing when they get hungry, but not smart enough to know if something is going to kill them when they eat it. Yes arowanas need variety, but neither do I feed crickets as part of a varied diet when theres so many better things i COULD feed. Crickets themselves really do have NO value at all, all its value comes from what we gutload them with, so really, whats the point of feeding it. Only reason TO feed crickets is for aros that wont eat anything else, its like telling me blackworms are really nutritious for rays, they're not, we just use them for sick rays that wont eat. Get my drift yet?

so they eat insects in the wild due to the fact that the amazon doesn't have much else to eat in it?...hardly...i didn't contradict myself, because i stated they don't debate it...most posinous things are brightly colored they COULD have evolved to avoid eating these things in the wild...i know pellets are "bright" colored but that could be one reason they MOSTLY are not inclined to eat them right away with a few exceptions. the reason that you have to gutload feeders and crickets is that the inustry gives them just enough to get by and that is why there is not alot of nutriants in them...everything has nutriants in it all depending on what it eats, in the wild the insects get the nutriants from the plants they eat, animals get it from the insects and so on...you selectively feeding your fish is great, but it is not replicating its natural diet they don't get pellets in the wild...my point is that feeding wild foods to your fish is not as bad as everyone thinks...it can actually be benifical as long as your colection point isn't contaminated...as there is no pestisides in the wild...my house has no pestisides so thats why i do it...obveously if you spray your yard and house with pestisides you shouldent feed your fish with insects from you house or yard...that is my point...if you don't feed your fish insects more power to ya, but it doesn't make it wrong to feed your healthy fish insects...my 6 month old aro is 15" so me feeding it wild worms and insects as a part of its diet must not be to bad....

 

[Darth Scohin]

okay BTW, crickets and other insects have more base Protien than many flake and non-carnivore pellets. Do they have Vitamin B, E A, etc. Maybe not as much as pellets, or none at all. If you don't spray in your house that's fine however, the lawn is a slightly different story as insects can travel far before arriving in your yard. That said in general Arowanas DO eat insects, small fish, small mammals in the wild, for those wanting to go All natural Sweet, those wanting to feed pellets/bloodworms. Good for you it's your decision. (Also, fish generally stay away from bright colors yellow,reds,pinks,blues) But since many fish including Aro's are now CB. They may be seperated from such knowledge.

 

[Gshock]

so they eat insects in the wild due to the fact that the amazon doesn't have much else to eat in it?...hardly...i didn't contradict myself, because i stated they don't debate it...most posinous things are brightly colored they COULD have evolved to avoid eating these things in the wild...i know pellets are "bright" colored but that could be one reason they MOSTLY are not inclined to eat them right away with a few exceptions. the reason that you have to gutload feeders and crickets is that the inustry gives them just enough to get by and that is why there is not alot of nutriants in them...everything has nutriants in it all depending on what it eats, in the wild the insects get the nutriants from the plants they eat, animals get it from the insects and so on...you selectively feeding your fish is great, but it is not replicating its natural diet they don't get pellets in the wild...my point is that feeding wild foods to your fish is not as bad as everyone thinks...it can actually be benifical as long as your colection point isn't contaminated...as there is no pestisides in the wild...my house has no pestisides so thats why i do it...obveously if you spray your yard and house with pestisides you shouldent feed your fish with insects from you house or yard...that is my point...if you don't feed your fish insects more power to ya, but it doesn't make it wrong to feed your healthy fish insects...my 6 month old aro is 15" so me feeding it wild worms and insects as a part of its diet must not be to bad....

no one said its wrong or bad feeding healthy insects...they just have no value, a complete waste of gutloading might as well directly feed whatever you're gutloading your insects. Feeders? packed full of thiaminese, nuff said.

 

[sbuse]

heathy insects have value, thats why some animals only eat insects...if the heathy insects had no value these animals would not thrive today...i hardly ever feed feeder gold fish due to the desises they can carry... i feed 90% wc minnows and small fish as my feeders and there is no real need to gutload them or the wild insects due to the fact that they are wild and aren't deprived any vitamins...

 

[phillydog1958]

ANY LIVING creature is a source of protein and all protein is a nutrient that carnivores utilize for energy. some sources of protein are higher in nutritional value than others but isects are a source of protein and are not considered to be empty or worthless.

 

[phillydog1958]

ANY LIVING creature is a source of protein and all protein is a nutrient that carnivores utilize for energy. some sources of protein are higher in nutritional value than others but isects are a source of protein and are not considered to be empty or worthless.

i get your points about insecticides in the spider's body but i doubt that the spider would live, if it had ingested or come within contact with a pesticide. i appreciate the warning but i don't see how that could be. we all know that arowanas do consume spiders in the wild. spiders and other insects are protein and do have nutritional value.

 

[phillydog1958]

ANY LIVING creature is a source of protein and all protein is a nutrient that carnivores utilize for energy. some sources of protein are higher in nutritional value than others but isects are a source of protein and are not considered to be empty or worthless.

ANY LIVING, NON-PLANT, CREATURE is a source of protein....i forgot to exclude plants, which are mainly sources of carbohydrates, with a minor amount of protein.