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I think people expect what you guys coin "ST colors" from IT's because they have the potential to be just as brilliant. What I think bothers a lot of people is the fact that their IT does not achieve the level of brilliance they are capable of. It is almost as if folks are forced to settle for less than ideal...Face it...no one buys an IT to see it sit "black" in a corner. So, we hope for stability and seem to get frustrated when we don't achieve it. I think environment (i.e. driftwood, plants, lighting etc.) has more to do with it than anything else...based on my experience of course.

Personally, the reason I have not been so pressed to get ahold of a bucnh of STs is because my Indos (at least enough of them) were always stable enough to satisfy my lust for the black and gold brilliance and awesome display of the Asian Tiger Fish.

And for the record...(And I know people will argue me down)...I have seen an unstable ST!:WHOA:.

Just my 2 cents...
 
I have this IT I never see him unstable I means changing color. He always
stay at what he is no matter what. Even if you take him out from the water he is still no changing any color. He is quite difference from my other ITs I have. When I got him young he is totally different color from other IT. This is he picture:

Very interesting to see any comments on stable and unstable tiger.

Thanks.

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I forgot to say he is also swim around like his buddy ST because I did not put any hiding space in. As compare to my other ITs will always stay in the corner changing the color to black. This is an exceptional case for an IT I would think.
Thanks.
 
T1KARMANN;4829284; said:
One think people are over looking

I you buy a tiger from a tank full in a LFS is they probably be from the same mother so have the same genes or you you think the fisherman hooks out 1 baby 2inch tiger at a time or do you think they take a whole brood

It has nothing to do with tank or substrate color
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Interesting thought.

But, based on your experience - I´ve never seen a tank full of IT´s in a LFS in my whereabouts - those broods are usually all stable vs all unstable ? (or at least most of). If so, it could be genetic.

Or, still assuming it´s the same brood some stable and some unstable? in this case, could be an individual thing

Take this case study:

I have 8 IT´s: 3 at 4-5", bought at a LFS (the only ones I´ve seen in a LFS) that came in one importation and 5 2-3" from another importation.

The 3 bigger ones (brothers?) are usually unstable. At feeding time (only) 1 becomes stable, the other more a less, and the third remains totally dark.

Regarding the 5 smaller ones (brothers again?), 1 is stable 80-90% of the time; 1 is unstable 80-90% of the time; the other 3 come and go but are mostly stable from morning to evening until the´re fed and 1/2 h after eating become unstable.

T1KARMANN;4829284; said:
One other thing I have played with is lights some people say that IT go stable with the lights out so I got thinking on that one

It could be poss that ST come from shallow water meaning they are confutable with the light shallow water = more light

It may come from deep water meaning they are less confutable with bright light making them unstable
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As stated above, what I´ve noticed in my very limited experience is that when excited (vg. feeding time) or most of them tend to be stable, regardless of the lights. I only feed with the lights on.
 
Come on no need to post pics of the odd IT that is stable because most are not

It seams that you get loads of small IT that are stable but not many 14inch + that are stable could this be the same thing again that small IT are more scared thank the larger ones

Another thing I saw once when I was in a shop and they got a big batch of IT in as soon as they were put into a bade bottom tank they all dropped to the tank base spinning upside down and just acting funny on the bare bottom

I'm still thinking being stable has something to do with stress

Stress = stable

If this was not the case and

Unstable = stressed

Then most of us on this forum are not taking care of our IT correctly and they are all very stressed so what is it
 
T1KARMANN;4830846; said:
Come on no need to post pics of the odd IT that is stable because most are not

It seams that you get loads of small IT that are stable but not many 14inch + that are stable could this be the same thing again that small IT are more scared thank the larger ones

Another thing I saw once when I was in a shop and they got a big batch of IT in as soon as they were put into a bade bottom tank they all dropped to the tank base spinning upside down and just acting funny on the bare bottom

I'm still thinking being stable has something to do with stress

Stress = stable

If this was not the case and

Unstable = stressed

Then most of us on this forum are not taking care of our IT correctly and they are all very stressed so what is it
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Whats the problem with pics? I posted it for the whole stable unstable crap. The point about the pic is its a IT that is mostly black and when it comes to the IT's base color its not GOLD and its never displayed GOLD. The pic was to show people not all base colors are gold in the IT's. And when it comes to pics people would rather see instead of hear. You can go on and on over all these ideas but you will never know like the rest of us...if thats the case when it comes to care we all better give up the fish hobby including you. Make sure you let your ST go back in the wild where it can take care of its self the right way and the rest of us will fallow....lol Or you can eat it and put it out of its suffering...lol Take pics :)
 
T1KARMANN;4829284; said:
One think people are over looking

I you buy a tiger from a tank full in a LFS is they probably be from the same mother so have the same genes or you you think the fisherman hooks out 1 baby 2inch tiger at a time or do you think they take a whole brood

It has nothing to do with tank or substrate color

One other thing I have played with is lights some people say that IT go stable with the lights out so I got thinking on that one

It could be poss that ST come from shallow water meaning they are confutable with the light shallow water = more light

It may come from deep water meaning they are less confutable with bright light making them unstable

Like I said no one knows for sure why they are stable sometime and unstable at other time

No matter what reasons for stable unstable we come up with someone will always disagree
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Now see this stuff right here with the depth of water is a good point when it comes to color for dats. Are the black dats from a different location with deep water or darker bottom water ways??? Is it more of a camo thing cause of the area its from? Are the dats that are alittle more stable coming from areas with alot of sandy bottoms where them being stable helps them hunt food or avoid predators? So cause of this reason does this make them more stable in tanks due to them have more light contact? Why is it dats that arent afraid of light so called more stable? Why is it dats that have dimmed light act stable and swim around but as soon as the bright lights come on bam! they go unstable? Why is it when dats fight they are stable? Why is it when 2 dats fight the loser will go unstable? Why is it when water in the tank gets dyed from driftwood dats go stable? Hows the tinted water feel to them? Does salt in the water make them stable or unstable? Does water temp effect coloration? What about the amount of oxygen in the water? Dats are in the perch family and almost all are night hunters but will eat during the day givin the chance and all depend on the body color for camo. So the unstable dat sitin back in the corner of the tank or under a filter or driftwood may be a perfectly fine dat doing what nature intended it to do....blend in/hide/survive/and attack.
 
if you notice tigers go a completely different color when they fight its not stable or unstable it much different when they size each other up and go head to tail
 
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