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Hawkfish3.0;1935362; said:

What I meant to say is that, the rays natural instinct to search out and hover the bottom is perhaps stronger than its intellect to recognize a fishes territory.


groovitudedude;1935369; said:
I suppose they should be smart enough to recognize territories in a large tank. I've seen them stay away from larger wrasses in Marine tanks.

Then again, it shouldn't matter since you live in NorCal, right?

Think before you type please, there are rays that are legal in Cali...

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LOL I TOTALLY forgot! Okay, back to topic:

I think you would need a very large system like Hawkfish and Turkeyboy said. What type of aggressive fish do you have in mind?
 
groovitudedude;1935637; said:
LOL I TOTALLY forgot! Okay, back to topic:

I think you would need a very large system like Hawkfish and Turkeyboy said. What type of aggressive fish do you have in mind?

Nothing specific, just curious about what others have experienced and trying to
spread knowledge rather than troll...
 
Well..

Rays (elasmobranches) in general are pinnacle predators, that use electrosensory to constantly scavenger for food. They don't have many, if any, natural predators in the wild. Cichlids and Stingrays in the wild don't encounter each other much, and if they do, it doesn't last long.

So with that being said, the ray likely won't be smart enough to understand territory and boundary. Although they are considered to be incredibly intelligent, they are at the mercy of the cichlid's disposition.

Cichlids are also amazingly intelligent and have the ability (which is one defining characteristic of cichlids) to identify other Cichlids. They find other cichlids to be the largest threat to territory, breeding partners, and food sources. This is why you will find that a Cichlid will dominate another Cichlid, but perhaps ignore a potamotrygon, pangasius, or osteoglossum. Just keep in mind, the Cichlid has the ability to destroy with it's mouth, and depending on the species could easily kill a ray.

Roll the dice ;) Know your cichlids.. just use precaution. Tank Space and Fish Sizes play a huge factor..
Public aquariums/large ponds ~ Yes..
125g ~ No..
 
Miles - well said...
 
I have two 10" motoro rays and a 5" thin bar dat in my 320g tank. The dat at first would not like the rays being near his pvc cave but the rays cornered him one day and tried to cover him up (pounce?). The dat got away and has never bothered the rays since. The rays haven't bothered with the dat either (too big to eat I guess). They do swim around each other now with no problem at feeding time as they both eat shrimp.

The only aggression problem I have is with my 9" aro ocaissionaly biting and chasing my 10" tiger barb who swims too close to the surface for the aros liking. Apart from some missing scales the tiger barb seems healthy enough. When I got him he was missing about a third of his scales from a green aro at the lfs. He doesn't seem to have much luck with aros! At least he has more room to swim in (instead of the 20g tank he shared with a silver aro).
 
Miles;1939049; said:
Well..

Rays (elasmobranches) in general are pinnacle predators, that use electrosensory to constantly scavenger for food. They don't have many, if any, natural predators in the wild. Cichlids and Stingrays in the wild don't encounter each other much, and if they do, it doesn't last long.

So with that being said, the ray likely won't be smart enough to understand territory and boundary. Although they are considered to be incredibly intelligent, they are at the mercy of the cichlid's disposition.

Cichlids are also amazingly intelligent and have the ability (which is one defining characteristic of cichlids) to identify other Cichlids. They find other cichlids to be the largest threat to territory, breeding partners, and food sources. This is why you will find that a Cichlid will dominate another Cichlid, but perhaps ignore a potamotrygon, pangasius, or osteoglossum. Just keep in mind, the Cichlid has the ability to destroy with it's mouth, and depending on the species could easily kill a ray.

Roll the dice ;) Know your cichlids.. just use precaution. Tank Space and Fish Sizes play a huge factor..
Public aquariums/large ponds ~ Yes..
125g ~ No..

I agree 99%. In fact I have this situation in my 220g now. The rays mind their business and the cichlids interact with one another. Once the rays and cichlids get larger, it will most likely be a different story, but buy that time I'll have the 96x48x24 I just got a quote on from Tenecore! :D

Although, my flowerhorn certainly did NOT ignore my osteoglossum bicirrhosum! He killed it today! Bye, bye flowerhorn. :irked:
 
Oops, not tiger barb! I meant tinfoil barb. I think I need another coffee.

I'd love to see a 10" tiger barb as well! I don't think they get much bigger than 2".
 
My endy bites rays when there is food. You can bet the rays get out of his way when he arrives nuzzling for food.

Agressive rays also have their favourite parking spot, other rays avoid.

Even aros will only eat at easy in the territory which they have staked out.

So yes, Rays are perfectly capable of learning stuff, aros too.:)
 
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