Stingray Export Ban cancellation

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Mark Huveneers;2364809; said:
What did you order Mike, if you would rather keep that quiet I would understand, I was just curious.

Leo's, henlei and maybe another type of black ray.
 
gold ocean aqua;2365494; said:
yes sao felix, not the city, the river closer to sao felix and is even link, the brasillian name them the sao felix leo. understand now?

and oh ya, check your geography first, who say's there no river down there.

google them .....:ROFL::ROFL:


Im REALLY confused here.

Sao Felix is a city that lies at the confluence of Rio Xingu and Rio Fresco. There is NO Rio Sao Felix.

Its very common for fish to be called xxxx "Sao Felix" or xxxx "Belem" or xxxx "Manaus" and guess what, those are all cities! I suspect that the "Sao Felix" leo is nothing more then a nice leo fished out of the Xingu or perhaps Rio Fresco.
 
As said before i will still buy captive breed. It's just not worth the risk. imo
 
Oh and because no one ever says it right and its a big pet peeve of mine, its pronounced like shing-gu, NOT zing-gu!

I was at a local club meeting and this fellar was discussing cichlids in the Xingu and I had to bite my tongue to keep from yellin, "Its portugese not chinese!" lol
 
IMO the price is not going to dip all crazy
we all just have to wait and see what happens when and if they get here
i am hopeing for my best interest and for a few other breeders the prices will stay the same cb are stronger and are more likely to breed in captivity than wilds
 
JD7.62;2365608; said:
Im REALLY confused here.

Sao Felix is a city that lies at the confluence of Rio Xingu and Rio Fresco. There is NO Rio Sao Felix.

Its very common for fish to be called xxxx "Sao Felix" or xxxx "Belem" or xxxx "Manaus" and guess what, those are all cities! I suspect that the "Sao Felix" leo is nothing more then a nice leo fished out of the Xingu or perhaps Rio Fresco.

no , it's definately not from xingu, it is from sao felix but it is trus that the river are all link but its a long long river. i mean i am trying to say river in sao felix not the common xingu or tocantines.
 
Brent;2366019; said:
IMO the price is not going to dip all crazy
we all just have to wait and see what happens when and if they get here
i am hopeing for my best interest and for a few other breeders the prices will stay the same cb are stronger and are more likely to breed in captivity than wilds

yep 100% true :D
 
ray prices may drop but not due to the ban or its lifting. There is simply no more disposal income after the freaking sub-prime, credit default swaps and credit crisis in the usa, now playing out in the rest of the world.
 
gold ocean aqua;2366672; said:
no , it's definately not from xingu, it is from sao felix but it is trus that the river are all link but its a long long river. i mean i am trying to say river in sao felix not the common xingu or tocantines.

Interesting.

Where do you suspect they are fished from? There are six tributaries of the Xingu, none are called Rio Sao Felix.

What I have hilighted in bold, are you sure you are not thinking of the Rio Fresco? That is the river that the city of Sao felix lies on (and of course the Xingu).

It will be interesting to see how they sell though given the climate of the Global economy. Arent Asian markets, especially Japan's, also hurting really bad?

Maybe the people that can afford a very expensive fish in the first place can havnt been hurt too bad by the economy.

We will find out in a month. Lets say just 50-100 in the US make it. Do you all think all will sell at say $1500-2000? If so how long would it take? It costs money to keep fish in house plus you risk some dieing on you.

I dont know how importing works but Ive worked in retail and wholesale fish industry.

For cheap fish, once everything is said and done, typical mark up is around 300%. Its easy to sell a fish for $1.50 when it was only 50cents. When I was working we would mark up more expensive fish, say a fish that costs us $50 we'd sell for $75. Yeah its only a 50% mark up but a $25 net profit on one fish is still a heck of alot more then selling several cheaper fish.

The market for rays may or may not be different, I dont know. So once landed, say a leo costs the importer $600-800 (a wild guess). Are they going to be marked up 3x that cost? Twice? Half? Who knows.

Say its only a 200% markup and the importer brought in 50 fish and everything goes perfect, no DOAs and his final price is $800 per fish. He sells all 50 for $1600, a profit of $40,000!!! Good deal for him!!

Edit to add: Cause I know some is going to say it, Im not counting fixed costs like the importers facility and other variable like energy, food, etc so $40,000 may or may not be as good as it sounds!
 
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