Stingray Export Ban cancellation

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csx4236;2365606; said:
Leo's, henlei and maybe another type of black ray.
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Hmmm exporters promise to much, for my opinion is better keep silence untill rays are in your tanks. At the moment is no guarantee that anyone get rays in 1,2 or 3 weeks
 
I'm just posting so that I can subscribe to this thread. Very very interesting.
 
I'll always pay more for captive breed rays.

Wild caught ray share 3 major problems.

1. Parasites, diseases fungus. Even invisible ones as they might only be carriers.

2. They are generally more agressive, having to fight for survival and defend their territory in the wild, and may not be suitable to be placed with milder captive breed rays. I've seen wild caugh rays screw up a tanks harmony more often than captive breed ones.

3. It's difficult to tell when a ray is stunted, by which I mean missing out on the early growth spurt as it may not have gotten enough food in the wild. You will probably end up with an undersized ray.

Thats just me. :chillpill: Some may prefer wild caught ones.
 
The exporters say that they catch the BD´s in a big river connected to the river xingu.

I know a YOUNG ";)" man who is going to brazil to take a look at the rays + the lot. I think he will know more after this trip. :popcorn:
 
My LFS tells me the same thing! Let's just cross our fingers and wait!
 
andersp90;2396310; said:
The exporters say that they catch the BD´s in a big river connected to the river xingu.

I know a YOUNG ";)" man who is going to brazil to take a look at the rays + the lot. I think he will know more after this trip. :popcorn:
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Who wants to bet its Rio Fresco?!
 
JD7.62;2366818; said:
Interesting.

Where do you suspect they are fished from? There are six tributaries of the Xingu, none are called Rio Sao Felix.

What I have hilighted in bold, are you sure you are not thinking of the Rio Fresco? That is the river that the city of Sao felix lies on (and of course the Xingu).

It will be interesting to see how they sell though given the climate of the Global economy. Arent Asian markets, especially Japan's, also hurting really bad?

Maybe the people that can afford a very expensive fish in the first place can havnt been hurt too bad by the economy.

We will find out in a month. Lets say just 50-100 in the US make it. Do you all think all will sell at say $1500-2000? If so how long would it take? It costs money to keep fish in house plus you risk some dieing on you.

I dont know how importing works but Ive worked in retail and wholesale fish industry.

For cheap fish, once everything is said and done, typical mark up is around 300%. Its easy to sell a fish for $1.50 when it was only 50cents. When I was working we would mark up more expensive fish, say a fish that costs us $50 we'd sell for $75. Yeah its only a 50% mark up but a $25 net profit on one fish is still a heck of alot more then selling several cheaper fish.

The market for rays may or may not be different, I dont know. So once landed, say a leo costs the importer $600-800 (a wild guess). Are they going to be marked up 3x that cost? Twice? Half? Who knows.

Say its only a 200% markup and the importer brought in 50 fish and everything goes perfect, no DOAs and his final price is $800 per fish. He sells all 50 for $1600, a profit of $40,000!!! Good deal for him!!

Edit to add: Cause I know some is going to say it, Im not counting fixed costs like the importers facility and other variable like energy, food, etc so $40,000 may or may not be as good as it sounds!
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They hurt, but not to the extent of the US and European markets. Not to mention that the production costs on their part are just a small fraction on what a breeder pays for utilities and what not in North America and Europe ...and to make a more valid point, SE Asia numbers how many bilions of people?!? We're barely over 300mil here in North America :headbang2


JD7.62;2396636; said:
Who wants to bet its Rio Fresco?!
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Most likely.





Mike, I'm really looking forward to seeing what you and Frank are getting, a little bit of fresh blood will just make a better soup in the end.
 
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