Stingray Export Ban cancellation
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csx4236;2475333; said:
Oh no, that's really sad. Add to that another 10% of the too-eager new owner types and we can understand why a ban is needed. Sad, absolutely sad. Only a certain number each year should be released to selected breeders and shipped professionally, or even by invite of the named breeders to come and choose their stocks.
Seriously, with loses this big ...
Marius;2477316; said:Oh no, that's really sad. Add to that another 10% of the too-eager new owner types and we can understand why a ban is needed. Sad, absolutely sad. Only a certain number each year should be released to selected breeders and shipped professionally, or even by invite of the named breeders to come and choose their stocks.
Seriously, with loses this big ...
Why? So the breeders can set their price? I say let the market decide who gets what and at what cost.
Gr8KarmaSF;2477488; said:
ronin_man;2477734; said:
Vague term now, was just brainstorming, but in the end it might not be such a bad idea. Mike and Frank are two of the names that I can think of.
JD7.62;2477380; said:
Yeah, I've seen how the market decides their prices ...by covering the 70%+ losses and trying to make some money on the poor wild caughts that actually made it.
Seriously, I'd rather have that fish safe and sound in the hand on hands-down respectable people (breeders mentioned above for example) to enrich their blood lines than losing such large amounts. Come on, it's one thing to loose Apistogrammas and another to have 70%+ black rays DOA.
after long transits, rays regularly suffer huge loses. In the wild, they're considered a nuisance to the local people. Just becaue they're black and cost more doesn't make them more worth protecting in the sense of a conservationist than a brown ray or apistogramma. In the end, its still a fish.
Most fish can survive in transit for 48-60 hours ok, but sometimes due to weather, customs delay, local transit delays, up to a 100% of the fish can arrive dead. There are many more endangered species than rays out in the world. Rays aren't even protected on any level except for the exporting country.
Most fish can survive in transit for 48-60 hours ok, but sometimes due to weather, customs delay, local transit delays, up to a 100% of the fish can arrive dead. There are many more endangered species than rays out in the world. Rays aren't even protected on any level except for the exporting country.
I've heard Japanese fishing boats kill black rays by the thousands and it is apparently a 'non-issue' to those in that area..
I think that people are finding that rays aren't nearly as hard to breed as once thought.
Yeah they don't produce as many pups as a cichlid does fry, but given maturity and space
they will produce in lareger numbers.
I believe that most large breeders/importers want the prices high thus blocking the average joe out of
obtaining them. Then they (average joe) can't breed them and sell for a much lower price to
friends and fellow hobbyist undercutting the large breeders/importers.
JMO but I tend to be a conspiracist.
Yeah they don't produce as many pups as a cichlid does fry, but given maturity and space
they will produce in lareger numbers.
I believe that most large breeders/importers want the prices high thus blocking the average joe out of
obtaining them. Then they (average joe) can't breed them and sell for a much lower price to
friends and fellow hobbyist undercutting the large breeders/importers.
JMO but I tend to be a conspiracist.
