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Damn....thats a shame for both the hobby and environment.

For those breeding them....keep it up.

Its not much but its something.
 
I have to agree with David here.

We need to get some rays out of Brazil as quickly as possible. They are potentially in more danger in the wild than they are in some 13 year olds 75 gallon tank (stretching it a bit here obviously).

More and more hobbyists are starting to breed their animals and that will be the key to their long term survival.

Captive breeding cannot keep up with the current demand but the percentage is growing.

We will get there. It is the only long term option.

Colin
 
For a scary look at how much the rain forest is being cut check out Google earth and zoom in on the amazon and you will see how much they already cut down and I am sure these are a few years old satelite pictures, You wouldn't beleive how much is cut down. :(
 
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On the other hand not allowing live ray export is equally dangerous for the species.
The Forest is currently being removed at the rate of 10, 000 square miles per year.
That works out to 1 football field per second....It is currently estimated that at this rate 50% of the rain forest will be gone in 12 years. What do you think this massive loss of habitat will do to all Amazonian species, let alone the gloabl weather systems and ocean currents that the Amazon controls
There is debate among the involved scientists.
Also...the tropical fish trade represents less than 1% of the ray taken.
Brazil allows japanese fishing factory ships to take out 100 tonnes of rays per load, dead and frozen
They also allow people to kill any rays just to keep beaches clear of them on the river where people also like to bathe, but they are not alowed to sell them alive.
They are allowed to kill a ray to eat it but not export it alive where it would fetch 50X the money and feed a family for a week instead of for one meal.
The balance of the equation is all out of kilter
When released, this year's quota is already announced as double what it was last year, and it includes pearl rays and Eclipse rays which it did not last year.
If IBAMA officials were not so badly paid they would maybe feel less interested in accepting money to allow some large exporters to ship rays ex-quota.
A lot of politics and personal greed is involved in this and all is not quite as it seems .

...so....go figure......

:eek: ...........
 
damm it!

damm the brazil government for killing so much of the ray environment and allow stupid rules to kill rays easily esp the part about those bloody damm japanese fishing ships. those should be sunk! yet at the same time ban the export of ray...

maybe this will make farms wake up and start breeding ray instead of over breeding and over pricing asian arowana. with so many farms focusing on arowana and how fast arowana can reproduce (10 - 60 fries, twice a year.) in the right environment compared to rays.
 
True. I keep encouraging DW to go down and start breeding so we can buy from him. IBAMA wont give us the punch line so we are laying it wait. PS Weise didn't write that. He copy pasted it from the other USA OFI rep.
 
this is good

most of you will end up killing them anyways :(

and then no more rays forever.

i kinda have to agree with you del.
 
Breeding rays is a good step in the right direction. All of you had good points of opinion regarding this matter. Thanks Neo for the thread.
 
to tell the truth i think its a good idear they stop shipping rays from Brazil look at the state they arive after shipping in

if the people who are breeding and the people trying to bred start working together i think it may be posable to surply enought captive bred rays and at least the breeders would know who they are selling to and make sure they can take care of them

out of all the rays that are imported how many of them ever grow to adult size most are sold to people who have bitern off more than they can chew

i think its good they are banned from export now i have captive bred rays i would never buy another wild caught unless it was to incress the gene pool

basically what im saying is in a year or 2 their should be enough captive bred rays to go around for the people who can take care of them properly
 
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