Listen... Matt is right on this one. The seller should know what their selling and care a little bit about where the fish is going. I used to feel that this all fell on the buyer but after dabbling in the business a little and suppling some rarer fish and a couple of small sharks to people, my opinion quickly changed. I also have seen where some of these more common animals are held at the local wholesalers and was shocked by poor conditions and lack care for what happened to the animals. So as someone with the ability to supply sharks, rays and fish I am very particular on what and who I sell too.
stupid live aquaria
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While I agree with all the arguments about tank sizes, I must say that liveaquaria has really stepped up just recently with there minimum tank sizes. I've noticed that the tank sizes for tangs especially, has gotten much more realistic. Blue, Sailfin, Naso, etc. all have a minimum of 180g listed (personally, I think they need more than that, especially when full grown). And the smaller tangs seem to have 125g minimum (although I haven't checked out every single listing). I've also noticed that on the Diver's Den stuff, they've started listing certain fish as "expert only" when they used to not do that. All I can say is that I've always been very happy with livestock I've gotten from them (usually form Diver's Den), and I'm glad they're trying to be more realistic with tank sizes.
you know guys, this is the only thing I have heard bad about them. I read about people that went to their place in Wisconsin and it was top notch with everything, clean, good quarintine, proper feeding. I know if I called them with a question and they didnt have an answer they are one of the few that actually called back, so everyone does'nt get everything right but they do take our comments seriously.
Zoodiver;4989781; said:
I agree. And I try to be the same way.
That being said, regardless of whether or not you think it is their moral duty to give you all the information you need to know on one little, tiny, for sale page or not, if the buyer doesnt know better, then they still shouldnt be buying the fish.
More importantly than providing good information is determining whether or not the animal is going to a home where the people know what its needs are.
Liveaquaria has upgraded many of their tank sizes, but I agree, much of that info is still not good enough, or simply not accurate. I just dont think that is a reason to discredit them as a provider of quality livestock.
The only thing that I dont like about them is that they dont have an actual shark area. They are just stuck in with the LPS and NPS corals. It isnt big enough, and their QT practices for sharks and rays is wanting. (Strange seeing as how everything else is so professionally done.)
Ken,
Good call on the coral cat. I thought the same thing and did some research.
Now that it has sold, it was a steal for what it was. A friend to your SRC board has been searching sometime for one and I wanted to alert him to it before posting this.
Atelomycterus baliensis. I'm almost positive on the ID
http://www.mnhn.fr/sfi/cybium/numeros/pdf/291pdf/06-White295.pdf
Good call on the coral cat. I thought the same thing and did some research.
Now that it has sold, it was a steal for what it was. A friend to your SRC board has been searching sometime for one and I wanted to alert him to it before posting this.
Atelomycterus baliensis. I'm almost positive on the ID
http://www.mnhn.fr/sfi/cybium/numeros/pdf/291pdf/06-White295.pdf
Also, as for live aquaria DD, I have never dealt with a more reputable company. They searched for 6 months and sent me a mature H. trispeculare and no cost because of a labeling error. They called or emailed to give me updates on collection and a manager was always available within hours to answer my concerns. They even called the collection facility in Western Australia, while I waited, for an update.
On several occasions, like this one, they will come up with an incorrect ID, but usually they missed a newely described or rare species to the aquarium trade. Fortunately or unfortunately, I am obcessed with these damn creatures and can note the mistake.
As for tank size. I take their description as being for the specimen sold. 14" coral cat in 180 is OK. If you are waiting for any vendor to describe the detailed husbandry of an animal, you will be old and grey before you feel comfortable with their comprehensive list.
Just my opinion.
On several occasions, like this one, they will come up with an incorrect ID, but usually they missed a newely described or rare species to the aquarium trade. Fortunately or unfortunately, I am obcessed with these damn creatures and can note the mistake.
As for tank size. I take their description as being for the specimen sold. 14" coral cat in 180 is OK. If you are waiting for any vendor to describe the detailed husbandry of an animal, you will be old and grey before you feel comfortable with their comprehensive list.
Just my opinion.
Just my two cents - I think Atelomycterus species should be kept in larger tanks due to their propensity to free swim and inability to navigate rock work compared to Chiloscyllium species, and especially Hemiscyllium species. If I were going to plop any readily available shark into a 180 (with excellent filtration, skimming and sterilization), it would be a common eppie, or perhaps the PNG variety/ssp as they're supposed to stay smaller.
Just my copper!
Just my copper!
Comatose,
No hard feelings - I have never kept a catshark - so my knowledge of their husbandry is lacking. They may need much more room, I just don't know.
No hard feelings - I have never kept a catshark - so my knowledge of their husbandry is lacking. They may need much more room, I just don't know.
