Subforum is named wrong

[TCZeli]

Primitive would be most accurate


Polys may have had prehistoric ancestors, but that does not make them prehistoric. So refering to them as such would be as inaccurate as ancient.

Polys were on this earth before history, so it does make them Prehistoric. I'm not saying primative doesn't work, because it does. Just that if you wanted to stay with a time based name for them like "ancient" then prehistoric would be a good choice.

 

[BushFishRox]

what are we just changing the name for the Poly sub forum or all of the Ancient Fish sub forum?

because in changing the sub forum name you should also take in to account all the other fish in the Ancient Fish sub forum not just polys...

To me because they havent evolved much doesnt make them primitive, it just means that they didnt need to evolve. They were created perfectly also because they are prehistoric how do we know they havent evolved?

So I would say either change the sub forum name to Prehistoric as they date back to before history was logged or as The Perfect Fish...

 

[Bderick67]

Polys were on this earth before history, so it does make them Prehistoric. I'm not saying primative doesn't work, because it does. Just that if you wanted to stay with a time based name for them like "ancient" then prehistoric would be a good choice.

True, but they are also here now during recorder history. Calling them prehistoric is as inaccurate as calling them ancient. You can not classify them with a single time period if they were present in both.

These primitive fish have prehistoric ansestors, they themselves are not prehistoric. Maybe a reading of a few definitions would make this clear.

 

[Bderick67]

To me because they havent evolved much doesnt make them primitive, it just means that they didnt need to evolve. They were created perfectly also because they are prehistoric how do we know they havent evolved?

Because they haven't evolved much is exactly why they are primitive. That is exactly one of the dozen or so definitions of primitive. If we know there ancestors date back to prehistoric times then why would we not know if they have evolved? Obviously, a fossil or two must have been found, right?

 

[Fry]

Calling them primitive is just as inaccurate as calling them ancient or prehistoric...we should just keep "ancient". It matters not the denotation of the word but the connotation.

 

[BIGgourami]

Yeppers thats correct.Thats half the answer

Part2.why should it be "primitive"rather than''Ancient"

anchient simply refers to being around for a long time,
primitive means less developed.


what aboout 'archetypal fishes'?

 

[Bderick67]

i dont think they can be called primitive ,they are old, not dumb, and many are much more efficient hunters then some of the more 'modern' fish out there

but you can not call them primitive, they still preform the same as other fish so it isnt like they are less evolved then other fish.

maybe the sub forum should be called Prehistoric, rather then Ancient and Primitive...

Calling them primitive is just as inaccurate as calling them ancient or prehistoric...we should just keep "ancient". It matters not the denotation of the word but the connotation.

anchient simply refers to being around for a long time,
primitive means less developed.


what aboout 'archetypal fishes'?

You guys really should look up the definition of primitive

BTW...there is more then just one definition so read them all

 

[BIGgourami]

primitive: "crude: belonging to an early stage of technical development; characterized by simplicity and (often) crudeness; "the crude weapons and rude ..."
"archaic: little evolved from or characteristic of an earlier ancestral type; "archaic forms of life"; "primitive mammals"; "the okapi is a short-necked primitive cousin of the giraffe"
"retaining many ancestral characteristics"
"an earlier, less complex version."
"a basic object that can be used as a basis for modelling more complicated objects."

as pertaining to animal morphology anyway it goes on talking about tribal ancestry and such,...

 

[Bderick67]

primitive: "crude: belonging to an early stage of technical development; characterized by simplicity and (often) crudeness; "the crude weapons and rude ..."
"archaic: little evolved from or characteristic of an earlier ancestral type; "archaic forms of life"; "primitive mammals"; "the okapi is a short-necked primitive cousin of the giraffe"
"retaining many ancestral characteristics"
"an earlier, less complex version."
"a basic object that can be used as a basis for modelling more complicated objects."

as pertaining to animal morphology anyway it goes on talking about tribal ancestry and such,...

Does this not describe polys? If the Okapi here is described as a primitive mammal, why would polys not be described as a primitive fish?

 

[BushFishRox]

this is turning into the Geico caveman commercial...

sure go for it, change the name to primitive but to me calling them primitive means that they are like the re re's of the fish world and not as advanced as "modern" fish are...