Suggestion for petition against some restricted species..

[kittyhazelton]

Hey all. I am trying to work with putting together a petition in one of my local states against some reptile species that they have listed as restricted.
The signees on this petition will be hand-written as I am going to go around gathering signatures for some time before I submit it.
I based this off of the states current restricted animals list which is currently still being processed and just recently got put into action. They are also NOT gandfathering people who currently have these "restricted species" into the act, so anyone caught with these animals regardless as to wether they had them before the restricted went into effect (summer of 06 I believe it was)

Just want to know your input on it. Here it is. comments, critisizm, additions/subtractions welcome.

 

[Kioka]

It won't work.

Think about it this way... politicians want to ban everything, but hobbyists want to keep everything. The only way there can be anything done is if there is a compromise. So if you want to keep something, you have to give something else up.

Can I get a link to your F&W restricted list? Maybe I can help you get a compromise.

I am working on getting the Morelia nauta legal, but in order to do that I have to propose a ban on M. kinghorni, M. amethystina and M. clastopeis. Under the current law in Alberta, all grandfathered species that come from the original Python amethystinus complex are illegal, so right now, effectively all of them are illegal.

So in exchange for a ban of 3 of 5 new species, which the ones being proposed are over the size of majority of the legal boids we have here anyway, we can get the rights to keep the M. nauta and M. tracyae. By proposing this, I can make the M. nauta and M. tracyae legal by updating the current list with an addition of three new species, rather than making them illegal through grandfathering of an outdated and currently unrecognized taxon.

Just something you might want to think about... how to go at it in a round-about way.

 

[Gourami Swami]

so you want to take MOST things off the restricted list. That will never happen.

 

[kittyhazelton]

It won't work.

Think about it this way... politicians want to ban everything, but hobbyists want to keep everything. The only way there can be anything done is if there is a compromise. So if you want to keep something, you have to give something else up.

Can I get a link to your F&W restricted list? Maybe I can help you get a compromise.

I am working on getting the Morelia nauta legal, but in order to do that I have to propose a ban on M. kinghorni, M. amethystina and M. clastopeis. Under the current law in Alberta, all grandfathered species that come from the original Python amethystinus complex are illegal, so right now, effectively all of them are illegal.

So in exchange for a ban of 3 of 5 new species, which the ones being proposed are over the size of majority of the legal boids we have here anyway, we can get the rights to keep the M. nauta and M. tracyae. By proposing this, I can make the M. nauta and M. tracyae legal rather than illegal through grandfathering.

Just something you might want to think about... how to go at it in a round-about way.

Technically the list is not even finalized. They do not post the list to the public, though they DO confiscate animals that are on the proposed list. The list is only available to pet resalers, and the allowed species list is so full of mis-information that it's hard to tell whats allowed and what's not.

 

[Kioka]

Alright, you think you can get the list then?

 

[kittyhazelton]

here is the unrestricted list.

 

[Kioka]

Oh wow... that list need to be reverted.

It's harder to regulate unrestricted than it is to regulate restricted.

I am typing up a list of potentially dangerous animals... but I am trying to find out which elapids, vipers and pit vipers are mild or safe to keep... and which rear-fanged colubrids are potentially dangerous.

 

[kittyhazelton]

Oh wow... that list need to be reverted.

It's harder to regulate unrestricted than it is to regulate restricted.

I am typing up a list of potentially dangerous animals... but I am trying to find out which elapids, vipers and pit vipers are mild or safe to keep... and which rear-fanged colubrids are potentially dangerous.

That list is the UNRESTRICTED list. Notice that only 1 species of turtle is listed as legal (cause you know, a herd of tortoises is gonna eat the crops!)
Also, no crocodilians of any type. And of the pythons that I caught a glimpse of on the imaginary restricted species list they were prohibiting burmese pythons, anacondas, tree boas and pythons, retics, scrubs. (yet red tail boas not on the list even thogh they can get just as big as some of those others)
This is why I keep my big reptiles at my BF's house in NH. (though I do have a bearded dragon and milksnake at my apartment in VT.)

 

[Kioka]

Well... technically the only real cause for concern with boids are:

Anacondas Genus Eunectes
Oenpelli Python Morelia oenpelliensis
Amethystine Python Morelia amethystina
Moluccan Python Morelia clastolepis
Australian Scrub Python Morelia kinghorni
Burmese/Indian Rock Pythons Python molurus
Reticulated Python Python reticulatus
Natal Python Python natalensis
African Rock Python Python sebae

But no tree boas or tree pythons? That is stupid.

 

[kittyhazelton]

Well... technically the only real cause for concern with boids are:

Anacondas Genus Eunectes
Oenpelli Python Morelia oenpelliensis
Amethystine Python Morelia amethystina
Moluccan Python Morelia clastolepis
Australian Scrub Python Morelia kinghorni
Burmese/Indian Rock Pythons Python molurus
Reticulated Python Python reticulatus
Natal Python Python natalensis
African Rock Python Python sebae

But no tree boas or tree pythons? That is stupid.

Then why tortoises?