Suggestion for petition against some restricted species..

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See, I don't mind the restrictions, nor do I mind having to apply for a permit if nessesary, BUT the problem I have with this state's regulation is:
They don't have the information readily available to the public
They aren't grandfathering in anyone who had these animals before the ban. (Apparently all of the currently kept illegal animals are supposed to just go away and stop exsisting)
For those who are applying to the "Scientific and Educational" permit they don't have that information readily available. 3 months now and I'm still waiting for the application in the mail, even though I am already affiliated with a school that has invited me to sponsor reptile-related events and have multiple written letters of request and recomendation, as well as a registered business name with the state.
Some of their reasoning and species being restricted are just plain uneducated and ridiculous. I mean seriously, when was the last time VT had a plague of tortoises?
They are trying to enforce a DRAFT as if it were an actual regulation. And if you are caught with any of the animals on the list they will confiscate them, which to me seems a little on the illegal side, but nobody I know has tried to stand up to that.
Additionally, any of the people in power at the Fish and Game department have been downright rude and seemed to have very little knowlege of the animals that they are trying to regulate. There was an article not all that long ago where a kid caught a "piranha" in a local pond, when anyone with any clue would have been able to clearly see that the "piranha" was in fact a Pacu... a rather beat up one at that.
 
In regards to the Burmese and Indian rock pythons, I can't see that part about docile temperaments because they are so common going over too well. That is exactly the reason they should be regulated. Anyone with 60 bucks can pick up a huge and potentially dangerous snake. Almost all of the SFE snake attacks that kill their owners involve Burmese pythons.

Apart from that you've gotta have specific genuses for the "dwarfs"...Otherwise it's all open to opinion. For instance,our local bylaw prohibits "Giant Tortoises" When does a tortoise species become "Giant"? Is a Sulcata a giant? Or a Leopard? Sigh...

One local municipality in my area bans snakes with an adult size of over 10 feet, which is perfectly fine by me.
 
SimonL;1491380; said:
One local municipality in my area bans snakes with an adult size of over 10 feet, which is perfectly fine by me.

Not by me... that would meas Olive Pythons and Papuan Pythons would be banned. The same for some Boa constrictor as well. Not to mention there are a lot of ratsnakes that are harmless that get to be over 10 feet.
 
kittyhazelton;1491016; said:
Then why tortoises?

I think they are talking about the oh so dread salmonella. Here though, we don't have any real non-native turtle restricted except for snapping turtles and soft-shell turtles, but again anyone can get serious injury from those two.

Not sure why Mud Turtles are restricted here though... probably danger of invasive species.

Really, it is easier to restrict something than it to make an unrestricted list. The ban on tortoises is stupid though.

Edit: Whoops, double-posted... instead of editing.
 
Not by me... that would meas Olive Pythons and Papuan Pythons would be banned. The same for some Boa constrictor as well. Not to mention there are a lot of ratsnakes that are harmless that get to be over 10 feet.

Yeah, I know what you mean...it sucks, but it's there to restrict dangerous snakes and a 4 meter plus Apodora is still dangerous. There should be a permit for dedicated hobbyists.

The only ratsnake/racer that gets over ten feet I can think of is Ptyas muccosus. Even Tiger rats and Indigos rarely get that size. Please correct me if I'm wrong...I should have said average adult size too...
 
Just realized you are from Ontario... haha... the country of the 3m (9.8ft) rule.

If I remember correctly, the Ptyas spp. (Kneeled Ratsnakes) are capable of reaching over 10', Same with some of the[FONT=Arial, helvetica, verdana, times new roman] Spilotes spp. (Tiger Ratsnake) Drymarchon spp. (Cribos), and the Elaphe spp. (Beauty Ratsnakes) can all easily reach 10'. I am forgetting som[/FONT][FONT=Arial, helvetica, verdana, times new roman] the other big colubrids from Africa, India and Asia as well.

Indigos and Gopher Snakes can reach 10', but that is almost unheard of...

:) I am more in favour for a list of restricted species, rather than the length rule. I means if you can't own an Anaconda, you can't own an Anaconda. Period. You won't have people that are trying to get around the law by undefeeding them, et cetera. Just a whole less confusing, and easier for herpers to know which is allowed and which is not allowed.

On the OTHER hand, if the 3m rules is in place, then I could keep my dwarf Scrub Pythons that are illegal through grandfathering...

Oh the irony....
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As far as I can know the record for the Asian ratsnakes Ptyas carinata and P. mucosus is 360cm, or 12'. The Russian racer, Coluber jugularis reaches 3 m, 10'
The largest recorded Taiwan Beauty subspecies (E.t. fresei) was 270 cm or 9'. Similar to the biggest gopher at 275cm (I think?). The max size for both the South American Spilotes and Pseutes sulphureus is about 3m, 10'. Record for the Eastern Indigo is 270cm or 9'.

Damned if I can't find a single record for the largest African colubrid...Grrrr I'll have to post when I find it...I could sworn it was a Mole snake, (Pseudapsis cana, 200cm?)...I actuallly have this list from the time we tried to have the local bylaw changed. Currently in Oakville you can't own boas or pythons of any kind...but colubrids are in (except Indigos).

Oh, and the 3m thing is for adult size, so you can't stunt your Green Anaconda. lol
 
Forgot the SA bird/vine snakes, Chironius carinatus reaches 3m too.
 
Oh, got a 320cm, 11' record for a Blue Beauty ratsnake...
 
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