Sumatran Clown Loaches!

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RD.;2640608; said:
If that's the case, then hopefully we will be seeing some decent photos of the Kalimantan strain in the near future.

If I'm understanding correctly, Borneo is the Island, while Kalimantan is a region on the island. The loaches from the remote region of Kalimantan are the ones with coloration similar and more intense than the ones considered Bornean (Malaysian and Kalimantan). The loaches considered to be "Kalimantan" specimens are apparently so far from the export points that they are rarely exported due to logistics, while the ones considered "Bornean" are from ecosystems closer to the export points.
 
If I'm understanding correctly, Borneo is the Island, while Kalimantan is a region on the island.

The island is divided between Indonesia (Kalimantan districts), Malaysia, and Brunei. The Kalimantan "region", covers the vast majority of the island.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Borneo2_map_english_names.PNG


I'm personally not convinced that these fish (as well as mature Sumatran loaches) are any more "vibrant" in coloration than the vast majority of the clown loaches exported in the trade. Then again, I haven't seen any confirmed photos of clowns collected from these so called remote black water Kalimantan districts.

On another note, I've bought very vibrant juvie clowns that had solid orange pelvic fins, assumed that they were collected in Sumatra (and perhaps they were for all I know?) and as the loaches grew in size they developed the black blotches on their pelvic fins, just like the loaches one typically sees. I've also seen clowns that at 5-6" were extremely drab in overall coloration when compared to some of my so called "Borneo" clowns of the same size. Where these drab looking specimens were collected I have no idea.

I'm beginning to wonder if there aren't more subtle color variants out there than what is known thus far?

I've seen fish collected from the same lake, and/or river, that were the same species, but were noticeably different even when collected only a few miles apart from each other. The Gold Nugget pleco is a good example.
http://www.planetcatfish.com/cotm/cotm.php?article_id=93
L18, L81, L85 and L177 are all sold by exporters as gold nugget plecos,
and while that may be accurate, they all have subtle yet noticeable (to the trained eye) differences. Just to add to the confusion, overall coloration & patterning can vary within the same L #, and the fish can alter their colors & tones somewhat depending on the substrate, background color, etc. These fish are constantly confused, even by the exporters.


It will be interesting to see what your Sumatran fish look like a few yrs down the road.
 
to tell the difference do you look at just the pectoral fin or all of them. one of my clown loachs has solid orange pectorals but the others fins have black.
 
ewurm;2639101; said:
Most loaches are wild caught, exported from Borneo. Some are exported from Sumatra, and very few from Kalimantan. There are breeding programs using hormones in Thailand, and the University of Florida is also working to bring the aquaculture of Clown Loaches to America. I'm trying to find out how successful they have been.

Sorry little bit confuse. Isnt borneo is the same island with Kalimantan? I am Indonesian and sure that borneo = kalimantan

Personally prefer kalimantan loach than sumatra.
 
ewurm;2639101; said:
Most loaches are wild caught, exported from Borneo. Some are exported from Sumatra, and very few from Kalimantan. There are breeding programs using hormones in Thailand, and the University of Florida is also working to bring the aquaculture of Clown Loaches to America. I'm trying to find out how successful they have been.

Been heard that local indonesian has already succeed to breed this using hormone but again survival rate only reach 50% and takes longer time to raise juvs to size 1.5 inch. Some juvs died some days after hatched. For the time being, wild caught is more economical than breeding.

Myself bought some big size from local trader, hoping that I can learn how to breed em

More solid colour are from Kalimantan/borneo while sumatra has lighter color. That's why klimantan is sold with higher price than sumatra for the same size
 
More solid colour are from Kalimantan/borneo while sumatra has lighter color. That's why klimantan is sold with higher price than sumatra for the same size

Thanks for the info Irwan, any chance that you could provide photos from both locations? I see a lot of talk on various forums about Sumatran loaches being superior in color to Borneo/Kalimantan but I have yet to see any actual photos that would back this claim up. Having said that, as previously mentioned I have seen good sized loaches imported that were far lighter in color than the loaches I currently keep.
 
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