Surgery or not??

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packer43064 said:
There's plenty of other reasons why he would not be eating. How much does he eat? Fish can go weeks without food if needed. Also just because you don't see him eat doesn't mean he isn't eating at all.

All of this doesn't make a difference though since his eyes are on the side. If he can only eat a foot in front of him then that is perfectly normal. Taking the fish out and getting a knife and cutting a sliver of his face off will not help. He will be stressed and won't eat anyways plus it'll get infected and he can possibly die! How old are you? I'm just guessing, but you can't be too old. A mature person would think otherwise before cutting a fish's face off.
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When did I say I want to cut his face off? When I put food in the tank he swims up to the top and misses the food over and over. Their eyes are on the side of their heads, but when they look forward there line of sight crosses so they can see in front of them. His eyes don't bug out like an Oscar so he can't see well in front of him. Look at the pictures again. You can barely see his eyes in the straight on photo. I've kept fish for over twenty years, and this is the first time I've had this problem. Just in case I have been feeding him Epsom salt soaked food. Even though he misses the food over and over, every once in awhile he gets one.

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My advice to you is to just keep trying what you are doing. Any surgery is going to be risky even if you are specially trained in the field. Though surgery could improve his field of vision, as others have said surgery will most definately stress him out and the risk of infection is high. One point to ponder, I have seen many members on this site who have either a one eyed fish or one with no eyes that survives so his field of vision truly shouldn't be an issue with him eating too badly. I would suggest target feeding if he starts to look slim but otherwise just keep doing what you are doing...without the surgery. Good luck.
 
JteSchertz said:
My advice to you is to just keep trying what you are doing. Any surgery is going to be risky even if you are specially trained in the field. Though surgery could improve his field of vision, as others have said surgery will most definately stress him out and the risk of infection is high. One point to ponder, I have seen many members on this site who have either a one eyed fish or one with no eyes that survives so his field of vision truly shouldn't be an issue with him eating too badly. I would suggest target feeding if he starts to look slim but otherwise just keep doing what you are doing...without the surgery. Good luck.
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Thanks! I will :)

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Johnny, it's possible that he has some internal parasites and he's lost his appetite. Try giving him a variety of foods to see if he can be enticed. If you do find parasites to be an issue, treat with garlic and Epsom salt. Let us know how he progresses bro.


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I'm treating him for that just in case. I can tell he's hungry, but he is having trouble seeing the food in front of his face, so he misses it. Since it's soaked in Epsom salt, it doesn't float at the top very well. When he sees food float by, he sees it, and tries to eat it. He is having problems with eye to mouth coordination. What goes in his mouth he eats. I'm just glad he isn't spitting out his food. Yet.

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"Straight ahead, the arc of the two eyes overlap to provide a narrow area where the fish has binocular, or vision with both eyes. It is in this band of vision that a fish can be expected to have accurate depth perception. Clarity of vision is somewhat lost because the image is focused out near the periphery of the retina. The sharpest vision occurs when objects are at a right angle to the eye."

It's not uncommon for a fish to not see directly in front of it's face well, as some have stated, it's like our eyes, but placed on the sides of our head. Granted their head is slimmer than ours, imagine trying to rotate your eyes slightly forward to see. The view of a fish looking forward, is exactly how our peripheral vision is. It becomes a blur, but we know what it is because our brain remembers.

From the front shot of your image he looks fine. I can't see what ever it is you're talking about. Some of my fish miss pellets quite often. They usually turn and just try to inhale the water in front of their mouth to suck the pellets in.
 
ecoli73 said:
Yes and cutting a part of his face to improve his vision is like cutting your ears off to improve your peripheral vision.


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That's silly. If I had an assist growing between my eyes on my nose that prevented me from seeing in front of my face would be a better analogy. Then yes, I would want it gone so I could see better. There are many ways to talk to people, and your way is rude and uncalled for. I came to this website for advice, not to be threatened by you, and not to be called names either....

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FHlov said:
"Straight ahead, the arc of the two eyes overlap to provide a narrow area where the fish has binocular, or vision with both eyes. It is in this band of vision that a fish can be expected to have accurate depth perception. Clarity of vision is somewhat lost because the image is focused out near the periphery of the retina. The sharpest vision occurs when objects are at a right angle to the eye."

It's not uncommon for a fish to not see directly in front of it's face well, as some have stated, it's like our eyes, but placed on the sides of our head. Granted their head is slimmer than ours, imagine trying to rotate your eyes slightly forward to see. The view of a fish looking forward, is exactly how our peripheral vision is. It becomes a blur, but we know what it is because our brain remembers.

From the front shot of your image he looks fine. I can't see what ever it is you're talking about. Some of my fish miss pellets quite often. They usually turn and just try to inhale the water in front of their mouth to suck the pellets in.
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Maybe the pictures don't show it well. He has skin growing outward in front of his eyes, and below that is sunk in a bit. I haven't tried anything yet, but medicating his food. Thanks for the advice, and I'll keep you posted. :)

Since he is a flowerhorn with many types of fish in him, I would say all bets are off when it comes to how his body develops.

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