Switched from prime to safe- dead fish

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RD. said:
If you stopped foaming at the mouth for a minute, you would first off notice that I didn't state anything of the sort, I posted in quotes " " what a Seachem rep posted several years ago in an attempt to explain the process to a layperson. Those weren't my words.

Ok, still with me so far?

Then go back and please note that the patent that you keep referring to, is a patent to a completely different product, made by a completely different company. HELLO - anybody home? Seachem has zero affiliation with AquaScience Research Group, better known as ARG. The patent that you have been posting about, referring to via the Tetra patent, and for some bizarre reason still babbling about, is a patent NOT held by Seachem.

Are you still with me, Doc?

The patent that you keep referring to is for ChlorAm-X, a water conditioner created by John Kuhns, from ARG. Allow me to direct you to a little history on ARG, and the inventor who holds the patent that you keep referring to. (as Seachem's?)

http://www.reef2rainforest.com/2015/06/16/aquarium-inventions/

My only apology in all of this is that I didn't catch your mistake on the patent holder and product inventor early on yesterday, but I was preoccupied at work and apparently don't have as much free time on my hands as others.

Just another classic example of why one has to be so careful when reading things on the internet. The information being supplied is always only as good as the person supplying that information.
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Your right i missed the quotes, so i apologize for that.

The patent i keep going ion about is for SEACHEM PRIME, HELLO are you there? The other patent gives the chemical as SEACHEM as shown in a screen shot from there own PATENT admits they didnt know how it worked.

Yes i am aware PRIME has THREE patents, they were updated as OTHER companies researched and got the information that SEACHEM couldnt work out!

That is why i keep mentioning Tetra because the TETRA patents mention PRIME and give the reaction, i would of used SEACHEMS reaction equation, except SEACHEM dosnt have one because they didnt know how it worked. Great company that sells a product without first knowing how it worked..........

I am aware about John and being the inventor, i also said early on that SEACHEM didnt patent or make anything themselves, they brought it from him. I have no idea if the company is part of SEACHEm or whatever. Yes the product was Chlor X originally but according to SEACHEM it is the patent for their product. I got the patent from them!

Let me clear this up for you.......

How did i get the patent number?

We needed it at work for some related but different research, we contacted Seachem via the University we were working with. SEACHEM came back with 3 Patent numbers for PRIME and 2 for SAFE. So how do you explain it not being their product? I didnt ask them as a individual, they were asked by an official academic department, i would be blown away if they lied about a patent in those circumstances. I cant entertain the notion they would risk doing such a thing.
 
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LOL, sorry Doc, Seachem Safe is most definitely not the same as ChlorAm-X. I don't care who said what, who told you what, or what someone from Seachem sent the U of wherever.

Now it would have been nice had you actually stated all that up front, instead of simply posting links to a water conditioner developed by John Kuhns, not Greg Morin et al - but I guess you felt the need for privacy. Like your name & academic standing in the scientific world. lol

Again, ChlorAm-X, and Seachem Safe, are NOT one in the same. I have used both, for years, and there is a difference in the formulas. That doesn't mean that Seachem isn't utilizing John's patents and/or some of the chemical process in their formulas, but the two formulas are not one in the same.


I also understand that a University isn't going to want to get involved in a pissing contest such as this, but IMHO you have gone out on quite a limb here, and have made some major assumptions based on very little factual information. And from a professional viewpoint, IMO demonstrated some rather reckless behavior on the part of a scientist working with a University. And given this scenario why wouldn't an American company at the top of their game supply only partial or even outright bogus information to a research group, academic department or not. They are under no legal obligation to supply anything of the sort. This would not blow me away at all, in fact from a business perspective I would be blown away if that info was ever handed out to anyone, ever. It is also quite likely that the reason that Seachem doesn't post their reaction equation, is for the exact same reason.
 
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And seeing as PhD's impress some folks, Carp, you might be interested in knowing that Seachem, a company that has been around for 35+ years, was formed by the late Dr. Leo G. Morin, who held a PhD in Chemistry. His son, the current CEO of Seachem, Dr. Greg Morin, also holds a PhD in Chemistry.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-morin-912881a


But yeah, this person that just showed up out of nowhere posting all of his academic accolades knows all about the folks at the Seachem company, and all their trade secrets, regarding all of their water conditioning products - because he saw some patents sent to a University that he was doing some research for? As Buckwheat would say, O-Tay!
 
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He is a member of my website, so no he did not just show up out of nowhere. My website is https://www.I Will Not Spam on MFK.us. He has nearly 400 posts there under the username Professor_fish.
 
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Yuki Rihwa said:
When CarpCharacin stepped in, I'm ready to pop some popcorns, sit back and watch this thread for passing time....
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my thoughts exactly. I was ready to read all of this debate with the utmost care so as to learn something useful....then Mr. Water-changes-are-hard rolled in and threw his two cents into one corner and I immediately stopped caring lol.
 
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