T. Ellioti

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ohdannyboy;4415475; said:
ok so the first 2 pics are what i believe to be t.aureus and the 3rd is what i believe to be an t.ellioti as u can see there is a big difference in the fish, ive noticed to my 'aureus' can flare their throat similar to a meeki whereas the ellioti cannot do it quite as impressive..maybe i just have the 2 species mixed up but this is what they were sold to me as


yeah honestly I think you have them backwards. The first 2 pics look like most of the T. ellioti I've seen and the third pic looks more like T. aureus. Plus ellioti tend to be one of the more aggressive species whereas I believe aureus tend to be one of the more mellow so that would explain the flaring from the fish in the first two pics and lack thereof in the other. :)
 
DanG13;4416940; said:
So temperment doesn't vary between most thorichthys? Do they prefer groups or being solo and would they hold their own with vieja's?


Ok here's the thing, and a lot of people don't know this or don't experience it because of the way they keep them. In the wild, thorichthys often times maintain colonies where multiple pairs will be in the same large territory. Granted each individual pair will have its own breeding area but the pairs get along well enough together that often times they'll even help guard each others' fry. They will also work together to defend the territory of the colony should a larger predatory fish come along as opposed to an individual pair guarding its own little spawning area.

If you only keep them in 55 or 75 gallon tanks you are less likely to see this happen, though I do think you could at least try to keep multiple pairs in a 75 gallon. I would get about 12 juveniles and grow them up together, setup the tank decor just right and see how they get along as they get older. Oh and add about 15-20 or so platys or swordtails.

Now if you were to put a large group into say a 125 or even a 180 gallon you are much more likely to see this behavior. You could even in that size tank keep a larger open water fish with them so long as it's not too aggressive.
 
Jason_S;4417467; said:
Ok here's the thing, and a lot of people don't know this or don't experience it because of the way they keep them. In the wild, thorichthys often times maintain colonies where multiple pairs will be in the same large territory. Granted each individual pair will have its own breeding area but the pairs get along well enough together that often times they'll even help guard each others' fry. They will also work together to defend the territory of the colony should a larger predatory fish come along as opposed to an individual pair guarding its own little spawning area.

If you only keep them in 55 or 75 gallon tanks you are less likely to see this happen, though I do think you could at least try to keep multiple pairs in a 75 gallon. I would get about 12 juveniles and grow them up together, setup the tank decor just right and see how they get along as they get older. Oh and add about 15-20 or so platys or swordtails.

Now if you were to put a large group into say a 125 or even a 180 gallon you are much more likely to see this behavior. You could even in that size tank keep a larger open water fish with them so long as it's not too aggressive.

Well at the moment I have a 150g w/ a salvini, freddy, argentea & syn all of which are 3-5" range. Was wondering if adding a few T. pasionis would be a good or bad idea to mix with my other fish I listed. Thanks for the info.
 
DanG13;4418244; said:
Well at the moment I have a 150g w/ a salvini, freddy, argentea & syn all of which are 3-5" range. Was wondering if adding a few T. pasionis would be a good or bad idea to mix with my other fish I listed. Thanks for the info.

I personally don't think I'd add any more cichlids to that mix. all of the ones you have are going to grow to at least a foot (the salvini probably slightly smaller) so you're already going to have some territorial battles to watch out for. If I were going to add anything it would be some kind of active school of dithers or something along those lines. :)
 
Jason_S;4417448; said:
yeah honestly I think you have them backwards. The first 2 pics look like most of the T. ellioti I've seen and the third pic looks more like T. aureus. Plus ellioti tend to be one of the more aggressive species whereas I believe aureus tend to be one of the more mellow so that would explain the flaring from the fish in the first two pics and lack thereof in the other. :)

thanx for the info jason i may have to have a word with my lfs!
ive tried using google but it seems to throw up the same images no matter what thorichthys i search for
 
cichlidfish;4417017; said:
Temperment greatly varries in thorichthys but more on the individual fish then sp. In general I'd say they all can be very peaceul or very aggressive. My ellioti is less aggressive then my FM, but I have heard other people have had different experiences. They will only do fine in groups or with other cichlids in vey large tanks.
My elliot's pair was MEAN when they had eggs. I actually had to divide the tank to keep my third elliot's and my aureums alive
 
ohdannyboy;4418685; said:
thanx for the info jason i may have to have a word with my lfs!
ive tried using google but it seems to throw up the same images no matter what thorichthys i search for

yeah that's the unfortunate thing. there's really no where online to find good pics of adults of the different thorichthys species other than meeki and pasionis really.
 
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