take this invasive species!!!!

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mr.reef24;3804949; said:
Would love to see some pics of the dead iguana's or snakes in the wild out there frozen to death if you could?

mr.reef24

there are none
 
Suetsosipel;3819387; said:
there are none


There were lots of iguana deaths and scientist they had on news few days ago said many more might die of respitary problems.
Delray had huge die off (Miami my area not so much but we still had loses)

I was fishing Sat by air boat ride area they point out the iguanas on their tour it adds to the tour and they have seen a fraction of what they once saw.

I have seen 2 dead in water but others like in fishing forum RobWilder in Broward have also seen them.

Snakes I have not seen one but snakes arent something you see dead by a canal.

Enough igunas lived to keep going but there were lots deaths granted further north much more than the south of the state.
 
mr.reef24;3804949; said:
Would love to see some pics of the dead iguana's or snakes in the wild out there frozen to death if you could?

mr.reef24


I havent heard about snakes. There are pythons which have been chipped by state to monitor where they go and what hours,etc.

I wonder if they lived? SnakeGuy should know
 
Suetsosipel;3791928;3791928 said:
um.......... problem???

what was i supposed to do?? put them back???
I support you .....exotics belong in our tanks not our streams and lakes , I do the same thing with Carp.....you could be saving an untold number of Golden topminnows,Bluespotted sunfish, everglades sunfish, Flagfish etc.
 
id buy one of the large ones if you catch one again...Id love to have a 2ft one in my pond.
 
Cut em up for bait, leave them on the land, bury them for compost. Do anything you want with them unless it is to toss them back. Invasives are bad news.

Whoever it was that was trying to explain how they aren't a problem, how exactly are you an authority on this?

Think about it this way, the ecosystems that exist developed over the course of billions of years of competition. When you take an organism and put it into an alien environment you do one of two things. You either screw that animal because it cannot compete or you give it heaven on earth because it can out compete much of what is already there. The bottom line is you are creating novel ecosystems that have never existed before and regardless of what you think you may know, you really don't know jack about how the native environment is going to respond now ten years from now or a hundred years down the road.

Did you know that according to the Dept. of Agriculture that invasives are the single greatest threat to our native ecosystems. Were you aware that more money is spent on managing them than on any other ecological threat in the country per year?

Think before you speak champ, you'll come off sounding a lot more intelligent.
 
Louie;3792047; said:
If you talk to FWC wardens and Miami water dept (those guys know everything) they will agree non natives if they take a toll on natives is tiny.

You have seen LMB spawn and nothing goes near them or its killed except big grass carp which more throw them and try to eat their eggs .

Those were introduced by Florida to control weeds yet they are the #1 threat to LMB and sunfish spawning sites.

Florida also introduced Peacock bass and according to FWC they eat cichlids . If not they would be eating native fish.

Most cichlids eat algae ,each other or mosquito fish . I am not saying an oscar or jag wont take a sun fish but more likely will take an algae eating Miyan ,talipia ,jewel .

The FWC no longer even ask that they be killed except pirahna and Sh. I used to think same you did but met few here who work for Miami water dept -1 warden all told me its tiny the toll they take if any.

The schools of big carp now thats another story as is the perpetual never ending illegal catch and keep lmb fishing here in Miami than add construction pollution run off which as you know never ends and one day only cichlids will be around due to humans. As you know Cichlids can live where natives can not.

My brother in law has a lake behind his house loaded with cichlids (well maybe not anymore) and the native fish are big and run that lake whether sunfish or lmb.
The plecos eat algae and junk. around here the man made canals are only cichlids however your correct they are also found in lakes but they run nothing in LMB areas only the canals do they own and natives dont go in canals at all or average 6 months a yr (to hot).

If you disagree thats fine as your opinion is as valid as mine but if cichlids died in numbers which are main PB food and state reintroduces PB or enough lived . Than we are going to see real reduction of native fish.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_peacock_bass

"Few measures can protect native fish once peacock bass have been introduced: reduction in native species richness in lakes with introduced peacock bass was observed in all areas of each lake regardless of the presence of macrophyte refugia.[5]After initial increase in abundance, introduced peacock bass often deplete local prey and resort to cannibalis""
Are you saying that Pbass do or don't take a heavy toll on natives, because honestly, this post starts saying they don't and ends with a quote saying that they do.
 
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