Tank reseal and top rim help?

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And I never said that you said that a new tank would leak. Only that your statement of any interior resealed tank will leak eventually. The audacity!

And I love the statement... "taking a tank apart isn't hard, is just a lot of time and effort".. ..



Lemme guess.. you're in the tank sealing business and it bothers you when you see people fix their own tanks.

I knew a mechanic the same way... a buddy worked in his shop.. .. same mentality.. arguing with me that the "right" way to rebuild my motor was to do a full rebuild since the head was off... retrue the motor by planing down the block and head, replace all bearings, pistons and on and on it went. Of course he wanted the work. I told him to get bent, replaced the $10 valve guide myself and then put another 55,000+ highly abused miles on it in the next several years. So, 10 dollar part plus 40 dollar gasket.. versus 10x work and expense.

Its called an educated gamble. And from what I can tell, the gamble pays off for 99% of the people who try it. THis isn't opinion either.. just a simple true statement.
 
I feel like you are grasping at straws now, trying to discredit me. Is me being a tank salesman really the best you can come up with?

If I sold aquariums why would I offer up tips and thoughts on the best course of action? Sure, IMO the best choice is to buy a new tank, at least it is put together by a pro then, but I'm all for someone resealing a tank, I just want to see it done safely and properly, not a hack job that can potentially hurt someone.

And I understand what you are saying, I really do, however it is hard to call it an educated gamble or decision if the person making it does not know all of the potential risks involved. If they are not warned of the possibility for tank failure or given bad information they cannot make an informed decision. I'm tired of seeing bad information spread around so as someone who has done their research and does know how an aquarium works and stays together I try to pass that along to people willing to learn. Telling them one method that has the potential for disastrous results is not ok in my book

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I misread your post, thought you said selling rather than sealing. Regardless it doesn't change anything, I don't do that either, nor would I be willing to. I could not comfortably offer a guarantee on tanks I resealed so I would not consider doing it. It still doesn't make sense as to why I would offer information towards resealing a tank if I wanted the business. Or if I was never going to see the business why would I care how they resealed it? In the end it comes down to wanting to get the information out there and for people to be informed on the choice they are making.
 
Hey man, no hard feelings meant here either and I'll admit I'm prone to getting carried away to my own regret.

My only issue is the adamant statements of the "right" way to do it as the only way to do. How is it not right when so many people successfully perform the "wrong' fix and it lasts?

In fact, I'll make a bet... for every failed thread you can find on this site of someone who's tank fell apart because they didn't do a full rebuild, I match you 4-1 for folks that never had issues doing the much, much simpler interior seal fix. Giving 4-1 cuz I'm lazy but its probably more like 20-1 would still be no issue.

I might say, "if you want to be real thorough at the expense of a lot more work, a complete break down might last longer than just the interior seal.. but most people get away with just the interior sealing job.. which is plenty of work just by itself".. neutral statement.. and true.
 
I wont disagree with those odds, you probably are right on that. Many, many people do it using the patch method and just about as many people never have anything to say about it, I will agree with you on that as well. My concern is that there is that potential for a seal to burst as a leaking seam is a damaged one (I'd like to think at this point I've shown the bead between the glass has the strength?). It may hold for years, but I would not sleep well at night knowing that seal is not as strong as it could be.

I guess what it comes down to for me is why risk it if you don't have to? Why not just spend the extra time and effort to fully remedy the issue? For some I am sure it is worth the risk, tank in their basement or garage, but others I feel need to know what could potentially happen. As such, I push for the complete reseal.

I know voicing these thoughts has made me unpopular around here and I am ok with that. I wish it didn't always get so ugly as I love everyone sharing ideas and experiences but if I see only one side of the story being told I am not afraid to speak up.

Btw Spiff, very jealous of your tank, nice job on it! Can't wait until I am in a house again and can do something similar, I miss my large tanks.
 
Thanks man.

I don't know about that though... I thought I lost this same argument in the other thread.

Another couple points I keep forgetting is that I think that the trim on trimmed tanks still help prevent the catastrophic failure, even if the reseal fails... and that the interior silicon contributes to holding the tank together more than its being given credit for.
 
I will give you that the trim will prevent a tank from losing an entire panel, depending on the trim design. Some are actually four separate pieces, one for each side of the tank, that wouldn't do much to hold it together. That said, an entire corner can still give out even with the trim in place. While glass wont be flying everywhere, gallons of water on the floor still wont be very good.

As for the silicone in the corner, it really is just there for protection, it provides minimal strength for holding the tank together. Not sure how else to show this, I've provided a link to a tank building website that states this and the webpage of a high end manufacturer that completely omits this bead from their designs.
 
fishguy306 said:
The ego monster? I'm sorry that I am going to stand up for myself. If someone is going to act like a jerk towards me or insult me I'm not going to lay down and take it. If that is your policy more power to you but when it gets personal I will not tolerate it.

You may disagree with me and that is fine, as I've said several times no matter how much proof that I post you guys will not see my side, I understand that, but I will not take being insulted.
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And this is coming from a guy who called me a liar and said I live in my moms basement the first time I posted anything about this subject!!! "But I will not take being insulted" Maybe you should think about that before you insult other simply because they don't agree with your crazy way of thinking!!!

You said: "Second, that is one shady lfs if they trust you to do that, I'd be scared of potential lawsuits. I'd be pissed if I found out my tank was patched instead of resealed." Well I bet they would be pissed too if I would have just patched their tanks, But patch would be finding the leak and just do that one seal.. That is not what I did I cleaned ALL the old silicone off the whole tank on ALL the seals and completely resealed the whole tank!!! They did not want me to REBUILD their tank they just wanted me to RESEAL their tank and that is what I did!!!!

And now me and the LFS are going to be sued for saving people money and fixing a leaking fish tank..... It gets better by the post!!!!

And how would you making a video of you making a tank with no silicone help me?? "You said why would I waste the time and money to do that for you?" How would that be "for me" in any way other then to prove you wrong????
 
Really? More yelling? Can we knock it off with the "!!!!!" please?

I never called you a liar or said that you lived in your mothers basement. If you actually took the time to read my posts you would see that. Not my fault you are cherry picking what you want to comment on. Also hard to consider it a crazy way of thinking if it is a logical thought process that makes sense. But as someone who yells to get his point across I guess I can see why you wouldn't understand.

You only did half of a reseal job. Sure, the tanks may have held and may continue to do so for quite a while, but that does not mean you did a complete reseal job. That would be taking the tank fully apart, cleaning the glass and starting over. You cleaned the silicone and put on a patch, a temporary fix.

If I paid someone to reseal my tank, it leaked again and I found out you did half a job you bet I would sue the lfs. I would have paid for the full job, not a partial fix. That is a risky game to play. If you claim to be resealing tanks you should at least do the full job of it. Hope you didn't offer any guarantees?

You said you were waiting for me to post the video without silicone in the corners, hence it being for you, try to keep up here. But as I said, it would cost me the time and money of doing so. Why the heck would I want to do that when you dont pay attention to what I post anyway? In any case even if I did you would come back saying I was using some sort of trick to hold it together. As it is I already posted a major manufacture that mass produces aquariums that puts no silicone in the corners. I dont see them bursting?
 
WOW... you are so special now you can hear the tone of my voice to know I'm yelling through a post I typed?? Man I can't mess with that... You win dude, You are right I am wrong... I will call all the people I have ever RESEALED a tank for tomorrow and tell them sorry buddy but that tank I RESEALED for you 20 years ago that is still holding water perfect to this day is a ticking time bomb and you have to take it down today before it kills everyone in your house!!!!

And one more thing you building a tank with no silicone would not be for me it would be for you to prove to everyone else that you are right and we are all wrong!!! incase you did not notice I am not the only one on here who does not agree with you... Infact it seems to me there is not one single person on here that does agree with you!!!

I'll make you a deal, if you build a tank with no silicone on the inside I will build a tank with no silicone between the glass and only on the inside.. Lets see what one works and what one don't... And when I say only silicone between the glass I mean like a regular tank is made with a paper thin layer between the glass, not some special company that puts a 1/2" thick bead of silicone between the glass because they don't put it inside...

I will let you pick what size tank we do, what kind of silicone we use and any other rules you want to make... But we both have to use the same stuff and do the same size tank!!! Come on prove us all wrong!!! I have a bunch of tanks sitting around I can use, 10 20 55 300, You name it and I will do that size...

Now the next time you post something on here if it is not telling me what size tank we are using and what kind of silicone to use I will not even reply to it again... I will not sit here and argue with someone who knows everything when I give them the chance to prove me wrong but they would rather just talk about it!!!!

And yes I will take my tank completely apart to get all the silicone from between the glass and take a whole bunch of pictures to show step by step how I did it... I'm ready to put my money where my mouth is how about you??
 
Can everyone just calm down for a second? This thread just got very derailed over something that can be discussed via pm or a thread about whether to "reseal completely or patch" because at the end of the day its the Ops choice which route they chose to take. Bottom line is arguing really won't answer the question in the slightest and the way this is going I see a key and lock on a very informational thread.

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