Tank reseal and top rim help?

[fishguy306]

The yelling comment is due to your excessive use of exclamation marks. While not as bad as caps it does appear that you are yelling, this one is my opinion, so take that as you will.

And once again, I do not claim to know everything, far from it in fact. This just happens to be something I know a great deal about. Just because most people do not believe what I have to say that does not make me wrong, the majority has been wrong before. Just because I am the only one in this post standing up for what I have to say does not make you correct. I have had people pm me on my side, most don't wish to comment because you attack and insult whoever disagrees with you. I can't blame them for not posting.

How many times do I need to give you proof? I show you a tank manufacturer, arguably one that makes some of the nicest tanks out there, that does not use silicone in the corners. Their tanks are beautiful and have small seams, about an eigth of an inch like they should be. And guess what? They hold just fine, no leaks, no blow outs. They are rimless to boot.

And the video would be for you, you are the only one asking to see it as I have posted several other sources of proof backing up my claim, much more than you can say. You just yell your incorrect opinion at people. It sure as heck isn't for me, I know the physics behind aquarium building, I know it will hold.

I will not be building a tank for you. I'm sure you are going to go against your promise to not comment to me anymore and say that I'm afraid or that I'm lying or something else, which is completely wrong. My reason is I don't have the space or materials. I'm living in a two bedroom apartment at the moment with two tanks tanks, one is for sale and one is a nice rimless tank, not a chance I'm going to cut apart either just to prove you wrong, though it would be great to see you flood your house.

And for the record, 1/2" of silicone between the glass would have no purpose and actually make the tank less stable. An eighth of an inch is plenty sufficient.

I'm getting really tired of arguing with you and your yelling. I've provided proof, you have not. Come back when you have some links supporting your side or please stick to your promise.

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[INTHECOWBOYSWETRUST]

The yelling comment is due to your excessive use of exclamation marks. While not as bad as caps it does appear that you are yelling, this one is my opinion, so take that as you will.

And once again, I do not claim to know everything, far from it in fact. This just happens to be something I know a great deal about. Just because most people do not believe what I have to say that does not make me wrong, the majority has been wrong before. Just because I am the only one in this post standing up for what I have to say does not make you correct. I have had people pm me on my side, most don't wish to comment because you attack and insult whoever disagrees with you. I can't blame them for not posting.

How many times do I need to give you proof? I show you a tank manufacturer, arguably one that makes some of the nicest tanks out there, that does not use silicone in the corners. Their tanks are beautiful and have small seams, about an eigth of an inch like they should be. And guess what? They hold just fine, no leaks, no blow outs. They are rimless to boot.

And the video would be for you, you are the only one asking to see it as I have posted several other sources of proof backing up my claim, much more than you can say. You just yell your incorrect opinion at people. It sure as heck isn't for me, I know the physics behind aquarium building, I know it will hold.

I will not be building a tank for you. I'm sure you are going to go against your promise to not comment to me anymore and say that I'm afraid or that I'm lying or something else, which is completely wrong. My reason is I don't have the space or materials. I'm living in a two bedroom apartment at the moment with two tanks tanks, one is for sale and one is a nice rimless tank, not a chance I'm going to cut apart either just to prove you wrong, though it would be great to see you flood your house.

And for the record, 1/2" of silicone between the glass would have no purpose and actually make the tank less stable. An eighth of an inch is plenty sufficient.

I'm getting really tired of arguing with you and your yelling. I've provided proof, you have not. Come back when you have some links supporting your side or please stick to your promise.

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ENOUGH SAID!!!!!! THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[fishguy306]

Some tanks without silicone in the corners, just between the glass-























Oh the humanity! What black magic is holding these tanks together?! Oh wait, it is just RTV 103 (some 108) exactly where it needs to be, between the two panels of glass and no where else. I guess no one told these tanks that they should have leaked by now?

 

[INTHECOWBOYSWETRUST]

LMAO... This Moron don't stop!!! None of these tanks have silicone between the glass either it's just on the inside!!! That was really hard to do wasn't it?

If your not gonna build the tank to prove your point just STFU about it!!!!!! I'm willing to prove you wrong but all you can do it talk about it!!!!!!!!!!!!

AGAIN NOT A 1/2" OR AS YOU SAY EVEN 3/8" BEAD OF SILICONE... JUST THE PAPER THIN LAYER HOW 99% OF TANKS ARE MADE!!!!!

 

[fishguy306]

Really dude, how dense are you when it comes to aquariums? Half the tanks you posted are acrylic which means no silicone in the slightest is used, or are you going to argue that too?

The other half that are glass have every corner covered, how does that prove your point in the slightest if you can't even see what we are discussing?

And lastly, you contradicted yourself, first you said they all only had silicone in the corners, then you said they had it in the corners and the "paper thin layer" between the glass. Well guess what? You didn't prove anything as those tanks do not support your argument. You said a tank with no silicone between the glass could be built, zero, zilch, Nada, and guess what? You didn't show one built with that method. Further, it is that "paper thin layer" that does all of the holding. So good try, but you've just proven you have an anger issue at this point.

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[INTHECOWBOYSWETRUST]

Really dude, how dense are you when it comes to aquariums? Half the tanks you posted are acrylic which means no silicone in the slightest is used, or are you going to argue that too?

The other half that are glass have every corner covered, how does that prove your point in the slightest if you can't even see what we are discussing?

And lastly, you contradicted yourself, first you said they all only had silicone in the corners, then you said they had it in the corners and the "paper thin layer" between the glass. Well guess what? You didn't prove anything as those tanks do not support your argument. You said a tank with no silicone between the glass could be built, zero, zilch, Nada, and guess what? You didn't show one built with that method. Further, it is that "paper thin layer" that does all of the holding. So good try, but you've just proven you have an anger issue at this point.

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Yeah I know you can't see them or tell where the silicone is, that was the whole point to it... Just like the tanks you posted, they have a 1/2" thick layer of silicone between the glass and it is so thick you can't see if there is silicone in the corners or not!!! That's why I said see how easy that was? You post a picture of a tank you found online and think that proves something...

And again I never said there has never been a tank made without silicone in the corners, I said on a regular tank that you can buy at any pet store is not only held together by the paper thin silicone they part between the glass (as you try to tell people)..... The thick layer in the corners hold a lot more then that little thin layer between the glass dose!!!! Remember that? that is what this all started over!!!! I bet you think a 2x4 is stronger then a 4x4 too don't you??

And the comment about the paper thin silicone in my last post had nothing to do with the pictures I posted, I was talking about the tanks you posted with the super thick silicone... That has nothing to do with what we was talking about!!!

I think if you just figured out the difference between resealing a tank and rebuilding a tank we would never have had this arguement !!!!!

 

[Montelboom]

After doing some research on the topic im agreeing with fishguy306 about just taking it apart and resealing it over doing a patch job.

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[INTHECOWBOYSWETRUST]

After doing some research on the topic im agreeing with fishguy306 about just taking it apart and resealing it over doing a patch job.

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O I 100% agree that is the best way to do it and I said that from the beginning ... If you are able to take the tank apart without breaking the glass and then reseal it with no leaks!!! However the whole point to all this is " That is not necessary with most tanks" and fishguy is saying that is "the only" way to do it... That is giving bad advice to people!!!

And the real bad part is is that he is saying the paper thin layer of silicone in between the glass is the only thing that holds the tank together and keeps it from leaking and the thick layer in the inside is only there to protect the silicone between the glass... That is just crazy to even say, that's like saying a 2x2 is stronger then a 4x4 piece of wood!!!!

To be honest with you I wish a Mod would see this Thread and close it!! At this point it is not helping anyone, All we have done is hi-jacked the OP's Thread because we are both 2 hard headed guy's who have their own believes and hold fast to them... I know I'm right, he thinks he is right and we are neither one helping anyone!!!

I just can not stand for someone to call me a liar and tell me their way is the only way and I did not do what I have already done 40 to50 times with great success!!!!

 

[fishguy306]

After doing some research on the topic im agreeing with fishguy306 about just taking it apart and resealing it over doing a patch job.

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Smart man

Yeah I know you can't see them or tell where the silicone is, that was the whole point to it... Just like the tanks you posted, they have a 1/2" thick layer of silicone between the glass and it is so thick you can't see if there is silicone in the corners or not!!! That's why I said see how easy that was? You post a picture of a tank you found online and think that proves something...

You don't bother to look at or read anything I post do you? As I've stated several times, as well a provided a link for, Elos brand aquariums do not have silicone in the corners. I even posted a close up of one of their corners showing this, as well as several others of their tanks showing them full of water. Here is that close up again since you seem to have forgotten-

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Pictures showing exactly what I am stating is pretty good proof in my opinion. I stated that tanks do not need the silicone in the corner, it is just there for protection and the silicone between the glass is sufficient. The pictures and links I have posted that support my statement. You just posted random aquarium pictures, most not even made out of glass.

And again I never said there has never been a tank made without silicone in the corners,

Are you sure about that? This statement from you says differently-

I'll make you a deal, if you build a tank with no silicone on the inside I will build a tank with no silicone between the glass and only on the inside..

Ouch, look at you stumbling over your words.

I said on a regular tank that you can buy at any pet store is not only held together by the paper thin silicone they part between the glass (as you try to tell people).....

I try to tell people that because it is the truth. Just because you don't believe it to be true does not make it the case, even if you do try to yell it at people. I've shown examples, have you? (Answer to that is no)

The thick layer in the corners hold a lot more then that little thin layer between the glass dose!!!! Remember that? that is what this all started over!!!! I bet you think a 2x4 is stronger then a 4x4 too don't you??

You keep saying that, once again, does not make it true. Post some proof. I remember perfectly fine, you are the one that seems to be back tracking more and more. First it was the silicone between the glass doesn't need to be there, now that paper thin layer does something.

As for the 2x4 vs 4x4 comparison, in many cases a doubled up 2x4 would be better to use anyway, 4x4's tend to twist and split as they dry. Two 2x4's is nearly always better to use. Want to argue that too?

And the comment about the paper thin silicone in my last post had nothing to do with the pictures I posted, I was talking about the tanks you posted with the super thick silicone... That has nothing to do with what we was talking about!!!

The tanks I posted didn't have super thick silicone, the silicone they had was as thick as the glass. If you are using half inch glass you should have a bead that is 1/2" wide and about an 1/8" thick between the glass. Why waste adhesive space between the two pieces of glass? If you have half an inch of material to use, then use it. Just don't go more than 1/8" thick. You will find this to be the case with all store bought tanks too. Just because you are looking at little tanks with thin glass does not mean the situation is any different. Your bead of silicone should always be as wide as the glass. So using Elos tanks as an example. They are rimless and probably about 24" tall. As such, they should have at very minimum 1/2" glass being used, 5/8" would be better. So you bet your butt the silicone on the tanks will be 1/2" by 1/8" inch with exactly zero being used in the corner. Pretty crazy huh?

I think if you just figured out the difference between resealing a tank and rebuilding a tank we would never have had this arguement !!!!!

The thing is, there should be no difference. Sadly in many people's minds there is which is why I felt the need to post. If people were given proper information this would not be an issue. So maybe, just maybe, you should figure out what you are talking about before you open your mouth?

However the whole point to all this is " That is not necessary with most tanks" and fishguy is saying that is "the only" way to do it... That is giving bad advice to people!!!

Hardly bad advice if it is correct. A leaking tank is a tank with a damaged seam between the glass which provides the strength. Therefore a leak equals a greater chance of a blow out. Sure, may not ever happen, may happen years from now or it may happen tomorrow. Why risk it? If you already have to drain the tank and cut out silicone why not do it right the first time?

And the real bad part is is that he is saying the paper thin layer of silicone in between the glass is the only thing that holds the tank together and keeps it from leaking and the thick layer in the inside is only there to protect the silicone between the glass... That is just crazy to even say, that's like saying a 2x2 is stronger then a 4x4 piece of wood!!!!

I think I've proven this is the case several times now unlike you. As for the 2x4 comparison, you really like to use things that do not compare don't you? A roof and a piece of lumber? It would be great if you would stop trying to call me an idiot by saying I don't know the difference or think I believe something. I have backed up all my claims with proof, where is yours?

Oh, and since my first explanation clearly was not enough, let me apologize again. I'm terribly sorry I cannot build a tank in my home to prove you wrong. I did not rent a third floor apartment with the plans of getting into this discussion with you. Had I known I would be challenged to a tank build off I would have picked somewhere with a basement or garage. But I'm sure as any reasonable person would understand, while I am confident in my ability, I do not consider myself a pro and do not wish to have xxx gallons of water on my floor as well as my downstairs neighbors. While this is a most unlikely scenario, I do not wish to risk being evicted just to prove you wrong, you simply are not worth that in my opinion.

 

[spiff44]

IMO, as neat as those tanks look.. and yeah, they’re all gorgeous… they would scare the crap out of me to have in the house. They’re basically missing two layers of safety margin… the interior seal (whether to just protect another seal, but also for whatever holding power it gives) and trim. They must obviously still hold long enough and consistently enough for the manufacturer to bother with them.. warranties and all. But long term… it would always give me the heebie-geebies that there is nothing left to hold if/when the silicon goes.