Thai Silk Flowerhorn pics...

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"Zion and Cichlids is all": about your comments;
There is one advantage to breeding siblings of the F2 generation. Yes, you do get more deformities but you also get more natural variation. You would only do this once and then you would breed back to a parent to stabilize your line. Or you breed to a 'wild type'. I have done this in Philippine Blue Angelfish which are very prone to deformities. Forcing the most variation allows you to select the direction you want your breed to go into, whether you want them to carry more of the traits of the father or mother in whatever combination you want. It also lets you create two or more lines with different traits with a single breeding rather than having to breed once to the mother for certain traits and then to the father to get different traits. Plus sibling to sibling crossing through several generations if you are willing to do that, can actually eliminate negative traits by selecting against them. Yes, you will get less and less viable young each generation for several generations but eventually the birthrate will begin to increase and the bad genes will have been eliminated. I have done this with hamsters for 12 generations and proven that it works. I was able to eliminate the gene for early blindness in solid black hamsters using this method.
 
OK, so here are some updated pictures. I changed the sand in my tank. The jet black sand was causing my Thai-Silk Flowerhorn to have a black under-scale skin color that gave it a black outline against each scale and black fins and grey eyes. I was not amused. The new sand, mixture of two different textures of white and mulit-off-white-to-tan gave the fish a new and more accurate color rendition. See photos. Yes, the photo quality sucks so far. There is a fine white haze on the inside of the glass from the new sand plus the tank is outside so there is light reflections from the street that are distracting but you can clearly see the reaction in the fish. Note the RED eyes are back. Yes, this is the same exact Thai-Silk from earlier in this thread.(I only have this one female.)


Also, the three new EBJDs from "Amazing_Betta" are out of their quarantine tank. They are in the 125gal. with the Flowerhorn. Yes, she is 4.5 inches and they are only 2 inches but I tested her reaction by buying a regular JD at the local pet store and after quarantining it and anti-parasite treatment plopped her in for a test run and she showed no interest in harassing it so I moved the EBJDs in with her. They all get along fine. You can see the LFS JD in one of the EBJD pictures for comparison. "Amazing_Betta's" EBJDs don't show any defects that I can see. Tell me what you think. Anything genetically wrong looking???


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There is one advantage to breeding siblings of the F2 generation. Yes, you do get more deformities but you also get more natural variation.

The offspring of an EBJD and a Thai Silk flowerhorn do not produce F2 fry.
 
I've always wanted to see this done!

You photoshopped out the turds on the sand?
 
The offspring of an EBJD and a Thai Silk flowerhorn do not produce F2 fry.
"Wels Catfish", F1, F2, F3, etc., are used in many different ways. Sometimes they describe hybridization from a pure species and sometimes they are simply placeholders to denote how many filial generations from an original cross even if that cross was between two hybrids or even one hybrid and one species as in this case. I am using the F2 designation in the informal usage to denote the second generation from the original cross. If you can suggest a more formally acceptable generational naming convention that fits the description of the breeding program above then please do, and thank you for reading my post.

AJS
 
I've always wanted to see this done!

You photoshopped out the turds on the sand?

1.) This exact cross?!?Cool, well then I hope to be able to provide you with some pictures in the future that show the results generation by generation.

2.)I may have, the background and sand in the earlier photos was jet black and I think that the turds don't normally show up against the black. In the latter pictures, that's why I added larger multi-colored light brown gravel to the sugar sand, to hide the poops. I don't think I "Fixed" any of those pictures. It's a big tank with just a few small fish so far and lots of current so any poops
:yuck: are usually sucked right up into the filters.
 
"Wels Catfish", F1, F2, F3, etc., are used in many different ways. Sometimes they describe hybridization from a pure species and sometimes they are simply placeholders to denote how many filial generations from an original cross even if that cross was between two hybrids or even one hybrid and one species as in this case. I am using the F2 designation in the informal usage to denote the second generation from the original cross. If you can suggest a more formally acceptable generational naming convention that fits the description of the breeding program above then please do, and thank you for reading my post.

AJS

I think you should use an H classification H1, H2, H3 etc..? (H = hybrid) What do you think? Typically the F classification denotes liniage from wild caught specimens and will cause confusion and comments similar to mine on an ongoing basis.

If some poor new member posts a WTB add for F0 or F1 Thai Silk they will get flamed for sure :(
 
I think you should use an H classification H1, H2, H3 etc..? (H = hybrid) What do you think? Typically the F classification denotes liniage from wild caught specimens and will cause confusion and comments similar to mine on an ongoing basis.

If some poor new member posts a WTB add for F0 or F1 Thai Silk they will get flamed for sure :(

Mendel used the Fx naming on domesticated varieties. So did Luther Burbank. And many others. It has been fish and reptile hobbiests who have gotten in the habit of using the F numbers only for distance from wild caught. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid
 
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