The Elephant in the Living Room

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PS Zoos are not in neighborhoods they are set apart everyone knows they are there and they have regulations to follow. So comparing to Zoos it is not even a valid argument.
 
Rivers2k said:
PS Zoos are not in neighborhoods they are set apart everyone knows they are there and they have regulations to follow. So comparing to Zoos it is not even a valid argument.
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Eh some are, I'm not arguing against you but recently in buffalo (last fall) a gorilla escaped its enclosure and got out of the zoo, which is a stones throw away from a thick building neighborhood ( no yards just houses stacked next to each other, regular city housing ) so about a square mile was evacuated until they tranquilized it and got it back in the zoo, it was crazy.

I do agree with you though, most of the time the regulations and such keep people safe but mistakes happen

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Rivers2k said:
PS Zoos are not in neighborhoods they are set apart everyone knows they are there and they have regulations to follow. So comparing to Zoos it is not even a valid argument.
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The Philadelphia Zoo sits almost in the middle of one of the most densely populated parts of the city....
 
Ok I can admit I am wrong about the zoos being away form neighbor hoods. All the Zoos I have been to have been set apart. But you have to admit a zoo is typically allot safer with enclosures than some schmuck keeping a lion, alligator or gorilla in his back yard.
 
Rivers2k said:
Ok I can admit I am wrong about the zoos being away form neighbor hoods. All the Zoos I have been to have been set apart. But you have to admit a zoo is typically allot safer with enclosures than some schmuck keeping a lion, alligator or gorilla in his back yard.
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Not always. I have been to a number of zoos that have had security that I do not feel is adequate, husbandry is horrible, and the animals were in tiny cages. And then I see private collections that have perfectly adequate caging, husbandry, and space.
 
Rivers2k said:
Ok I can admit I am wrong about the zoos being away form neighbor hoods. All the Zoos I have been to have been set apart. But you have to admit a zoo is typically allot safer with enclosures than some schmuck keeping a lion, alligator or gorilla in his back yard.
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Of course. Even zoos with the loosest security system (such as the buffalo zoo lol, who managed to let that gorilla escape), are still better then a single person, who could go mentally ill at any time, let their guard down at any time, and unless this person has unlimited resources for this venture then they wont be making a proper enclosure.

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BuffaloPolypteridae said:
Of course. Even zoos with the loosest security system (such as the buffalo zoo lol, who managed to let that gorilla escape), are still better then a single person, who could go mentally ill at any time, let their guard down at any time, and unless this person has unlimited resources for this venture then they wont be making a proper enclosure.

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I would like to know how you draw that conclusion. Do you see the stories about the few private collections that do have something go wrong and establish that as the norm? Have you any idea how many private collections there are that are perfectly adequate, even more so than zoos? The media doesn't show it all that often because it is not as fear mongering and exiting. Before you make a statement like that, do more research than watching fox news.
 
crayfishguy said:
I would like to know how you draw that conclusion. Do you see the stories about the few private collections that do have something go wrong and establish that as the norm? Have you any idea how many private collections there are that are perfectly adequate, even more so than zoos? The media doesn't show it all that often because it is not as fear mongering and exiting. Before you make a statement like that, do more research than watching fox news.
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hahahahaha fox news (murdock should be in jail for life) is a joke. and so are a lot of the people who attempt to keep these crazy animals in their backyards. OF COURSE there are more professionals keeping them then randoms who want a backyard safari, and I bet they do do a better job then a lot of the zoos, that is not the case I'm arguing, the average guy who decides I want a chimp, lion, tiger, puma, whatever just to be cool are the people who need to not own these animals, if you read any of my other posts you would have seen I'm all for professionals keeping them, people who have the budget and skills to handle it. but there are also a lot of average joes who decide they want a backyard safari, and don't properly care for them. usually they are illegal animals, w/o regulation, and some dude and his buddies throw together a chain link kennel for it, not to the right size or safety factor. this story plays out a lot more then you think, and normally ends with the guy eventually shooting the animal and it never getting to any news station. I know people who are into the dangerous exotics, and they have already had a red tail boa (legal I know, but it was a 5 foot female) escape and bite a cop who found it outside there house, and a dwarf caiman that bit the dudes hand and they sold it back to whoever they get em from, which as far as I know is rare in any illegal trade, he would have killed it if not for that.

if you think there isn't an illegal animal trade in this country your dead wrong, and most of the animals end up in deplorable conditions, unsafe and most normally dead long before their full lifespan. if you deny this, then you have no place arguing for keeping dangerous exotic animals

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