The Great Global Warming Swindle

[hamato_yoshii]

there is a clear path from cause to effect.
Natural cycle plus man's contributions = cause
If you want to split hairs about what the effects will be then fine, but it is a clear and understandable progression to most people.
You make a fire it gets hot, put more fuel on it it gets hotter or bigger.
Human activities are clearly pouring gasoline on the fire of natural global warming
Your logic imo is like saying " I am never going to die because I haven't yet"

I think your logic says "since all people die, and guns kill people, guns are the reason why humans die."

 

[Big Business]

DavidW can you please respond to this one for me?

I think you are reading into my question too much.

How do you know definitively, that human activities are clearly pouring gasoline on the fire of natural global warming?

 

[Mourinho18]

Anybody claiming to know what'll happen 100 years from now is smoking something.

 

[me_wee_todded]

Anybody claiming to know what'll happen 100 years from now is smoking something.

hahaha
those folks are still comin down from 4/20

 

[GJC]

Well at least this thread does not involve launching squirrles and rocket ships


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_MsbK2mwp0

 

[mothernature]

Since the formation of the solar system the Sun's output has increased by about 40%.The Sun is about 4.5 billion years old. Since its birth it has used up about half of the hydrogen in its core. It will continue to radiate "peacefully" for another 5 billion years or so (although its luminosity will approximately double in that time). But eventually it will run out of hydrogen fuel. It will then be forced into radical changes which, though commonplace by stellar standards, will result in the total destruction of the Earth (and probably the creation of a planetary nebula).

 

[Big Business]

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/wea00/wea00296.htm


The duration period for carbon dioxide molecules in the
atmosphere is somewhere between 100 and 500
years. Obviously, not all carbon dioxide molecules
will stay in the atmosphere that long, but on average
the duration may be around 200-300 years. Some scientists
believe that it could be longer than that, others
believe that the duration is shorter. Presently,
there is some uncertainty in those figures.

The most important thing concerning CO2 duration is that
its large concentration plus its long duration in the
atmosphere make it the most important greenhouse gas
after water vapor.

Some other greenhouse gases also have similarly long
durations in the atmosphere, but their concentrations
are much smaller than CO2 and thus they are less
important (but not unimportant) contributors to
warming.

Although water vapor is the most effective greenhouse
gas, it has a duration in the atmosphere of only 3-7 days
and its concentration will likely only increase if atmospheric
temperature increases. This is a double whammy that
most climate scientists are concerned about. If increasing
concentrations of CO2 result in warmer atmospheric
temperatures, that will likely result in higher
water vapor concentrations in the atmosphere and thus
further enhance atmospheric warming, assuming that the
increased water vapor concentration does not lead to
increased cloudiness (which may reduce warming in
some regions of the world, but increase warming in
others).

David R. Cook
Meteorologist
Climate Research Section
Environmental Science Division
Argonne National Laboratory

why do you believe these non-solidified claims over the claims by other scientists who refute this theory?

 

[Big Business]

rhetorically, where do you think that 7 BILLION tons of CO2 annually put into the atmosphere by human activities goes? It stays there for 100-500 years. Are you seriously trying to tell me that this has no effect?

the only claim I'm trying to make is that other scientist have come up with explanations for this

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/wea00/wea00296.htm

Please take the time to watch the Discovery documentaries "Earth 2100, wild weather ahead" and " Green, the new red white and blue" it might help you to understand where I am coming from with this.
The thing is that some of the effects are already being felt.
If I could take you to the Amazon and show you what I have seen, the devastation being done to that environment, or to Africa where I have also seen some of the problems first hand, then I know for sure you would appreciate my perspective.

sure, I will try to catch "Earth 2100, wild weather ahead" and " Green, the new red white and blue," I watch programs and CNN news segments on global warming on almost a daily basis. but I also try to see what the other side has to say.
how do you know that this unexplainable devastation to the environment in SA and Africa came from CO2?

 

[Big Business]

I don;t think there is any scientific dispute about the duration of CO2 in the atmosphere being a very long time, the range is 100-500 years and even the shortest time, 100 years means almost unimaginable atmospheric accumulations of CO2 if we continue to produce at our current rates, but even that is forecast to increase by 50% in the next 20 years. I tried to find any contrary articles but was unable, perhaps you will have better luck.
I promise I WILL read it if you can link to it.

I am not specifically talking about the duration of CO2 in the atmosphere. We are talking about the effect of CO2. some scientist say it will be negligible, some say there will be small effects, some say there will be major effects and others are saying catastrophic effects. you are taking one side of this and saying it has been resolved. I am not claiming any side to be correct.

The problems I have have personally witnessed in Amazonia and Africa are not from CO2 altho it is having an effect and it is interconnnected....mostly it is from other pollution and habitat destruction for short term unsustainable gains to provide marketable goods for the USA and other consumer countries
The Amazon rain forest provides such vital part of the global climate mechanism that is is truly tragic to see what is going on when the wider implications are realized. At the current rate of deforestation the Amazon will be gone within 50 years. We are already hearing about droughts in some areas there, can you imagine, one of the wetest places on earth , where most of our tropical fish come from having massive drought? Do you recall the photos from last year with the Brazilian fisherman surrounded by millions upon millions of dead fish?
Have a look at lake Chad and what has happened to what was not so long ago the largest lake in Africa
CO2 emisssions are not the only problem

I think we should keep this discussion focused on CO2

 

[Big Business]

isn't everything interconnected?

We are putting approx 7 Billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year, it stays there for at least 100 years....so please tell me what you think happens to it, because the fact that it is a major greenhouse gas is not disputed by anyone I think

if you're asking me what I think, I think that you might be right. I also think that Scientist who say that anthropological global warming may not be that severe might by right. I am not apposed to any credible scientist in either direction because as soon as you stop listening to both sides you go from talking about science to religion