Here is an interesting read: http://www.elacuarista.com/secciones/tfhblue.htm
"powder blue" is a double mutant (blue and gold together).
"powder blue" is a double mutant (blue and gold together).
the Great Jack Controvery
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I think the "controversy" is whether these variants are hybrids or just line bred. I've heard both sides argued by long time experienced cichlid enthusiasts.
Indeed, thanks.
...also because I hear a lot of people not seperating the two (Electric and Powder), they are not they same variant, personally they are very visually different. I have Blue Genes that carry the Gold gene as well. Now I also have a Powder Blue, hoping that the Powder male and Blue/Gold Gene mate.
OP.....That was like saying that people with blonde hair and people with brown hair should be classified as different species.
They are simply different recessive genes coming out in the same species.
They are simply different recessive genes coming out in the same species.
As far as I know, they are all man-made variations of Rocio octofasciata....line bred to accentuate the mutations and deformities that some find aesthetically appealing.
Matt
Matt
Not different species but different variants like the "Texas Cichlid", Chairel, Escondido, Vontehillo. LOL, speaking of which, is the GREATEST CONTROVERSY of all. But as you can see already that I do the same with Jacks and no one argues or debates, so Jacks are always on the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to labeling, or perhaps the variants are rarer than the Carpintis so no one really knows much about them.
Those H. carpintis (Texas Cichlid) varients are natural (meaning that they're found in nature) and named based on different collection points. The controversy stems from vendors naming fish from basically the same place...different things (and not disclosing the locations). This is different than the man-made varieties of JD.
There are technically 3 species of Rocio: octofasciata, gemmata and ocetal (according to Cichlid Room Companion), with the latter two species having very limited distributions. I don't think that either are in hobby, at least in the US.
Rusty Wessel did a presentation at the ACA a couple of years ago about different populations of Rocio. As I recall, there is a fair amount of variability in how different (wild) populations of JD appear: based on their habitats, some are darker and others are more pale, etc.
There were claims of wild JDs on here a couple of years ago. No one produced any collection information or pics / info on the trip, etc. so who knows...
Matt
There are technically 3 species of Rocio: octofasciata, gemmata and ocetal (according to Cichlid Room Companion), with the latter two species having very limited distributions. I don't think that either are in hobby, at least in the US.
Rusty Wessel did a presentation at the ACA a couple of years ago about different populations of Rocio. As I recall, there is a fair amount of variability in how different (wild) populations of JD appear: based on their habitats, some are darker and others are more pale, etc.
There were claims of wild JDs on here a couple of years ago. No one produced any collection information or pics / info on the trip, etc. so who knows...
Matt
I would personally agree with you, but I've heard the hybrid arguement on more than one occasion.
The origins of the EBJD (random mutation found by an Argentinian hobbyist) has always seemed a little sketchy to me... but I tend to believe that they're just deformed JDs vs. a mix of species.
What I find funny is that this distinction allows people who refuse to keep hybrids like flowerhorns to justify that EBJD are something completely different (and acceptable!)...
Matt
What I find funny is that this distinction allows people who refuse to keep hybrids like flowerhorns to justify that EBJD are something completely different (and acceptable!)...
Matt
I would personally agree with you, but I've heard the hybrid arguement on more than one occasion.
